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Moses 790 or 873 wings

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Created by Southcoastfoiler 3 months ago, 2 May 2019
2 May 2019 12:45AM
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I'm looking for something to try out for slower surfing and pumping. Have 590 and 550 wings on 91 mast. Which of the surf wings do people recommend? I know I need the surf fuselage aswell but was hoping to use the 325 or 330 stabiliser I already have.. what are people's thoughts on/experience with the 2 larger surf wings? Dan

benmj
VIC, 58 posts
2 May 2019 8:19AM
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HI mate are you thinking prone or using a kite. What board do you have and how much do you weigh

drsurf
NSW, 41 posts
2 May 2019 9:52PM
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Hi Southcoastfoiler. Are you on the NSW South Coast? If so I can give you a demo on a Moses 633. Such a sweet wing, my customers rave about this surf wing for good reason. Can give you a tow behind a boat so conditions for a demo are very flexible.

Regards Dave

2 May 2019 8:04PM
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benmj said..
HI mate are you thinking prone or using a kite. What board do you have and how much do you weigh


Thanks for your response.

I'm 90kg and have a dwarf craft board.

Ideally looking for something that'll do both which is why I was looking at the bigger than 633 wings like the 790 & 873.. doesn't look like anyone's had much experience with them yet so will probably wait for some reviews and then go from there.

Cheers, Dan

3 May 2019 2:10AM
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drsurf said..
Hi Southcoastfoiler. Are you on the NSW South Coast? If so I can give you a demo on a Moses 633. Such a sweet wing, my customers rave about this surf wing for good reason. Can give you a tow behind a boat so conditions for a demo are very flexible.

Regards Dave


Cheers Dave.

Unfortunately I'm on the UK south coast so no chance of getting to you for a demo ??

I'm pretty close to ordering the 790 with the new 710 fuselage so will give some feedback on that once tested out. Hoping it'll ride well with the 325 or 330 stabiliser due to not really wanting to buy another stabiliser aswell!

benmj
VIC, 58 posts
3 May 2019 10:32AM
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HI mate I have used all of them
I think you have to make the call on a few things.
For prone surf foil at 90 kg the 790 and 873 are great but they are prob too big to be much fun with a kite.
At 90 cm the mast is ideally a bit long for prone. especially at the start and the size of waves you catch learning you hit the bottom at times even with the 70.
The dwarf craft is also potentially on the small size for the initial stages of paddle in.
The small stabilizer is not ideal, of course you could do it but its a massive compromise given the increase in front wing size. A shim would help make it more effective but not ideal.
The 633 and 683 with 90 mast is a perfect combo for light wind and slow foiling carving on waves
I have prone surfed those wings but you need bigger waves and the pump aspect does not really exist.
For example I gave one to John John florence . 683 and 90 mast . he was able to link close swells if he kept going really really fast but its not a real world or person reality.
Sorry there is no solution here just some notes from my experience.

Duff15
VIC, 218 posts
3 May 2019 12:33PM
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benmj said..
HI mate I have used all of them
I think you have to make the call on a few things.
For prone surf foil at 90 kg the 790 and 873 are great but they are prob too big to be much fun with a kite.
At 90 cm the mast is ideally a bit long for prone. especially at the start and the size of waves you catch learning you hit the bottom at times even with the 70.
The dwarf craft is also potentially on the small size for the initial stages of paddle in.
The small stabilizer is not ideal, of course you could do it but its a massive compromise given the increase in front wing size. A shim would help make it more effective but not ideal.
The 633 and 683 with 90 mast is a perfect combo for light wind and slow foiling carving on waves
I have prone surfed those wings but you need bigger waves and the pump aspect does not really exist.
For example I gave one to John John florence . 683 and 90 mast . he was able to link close swells if he kept going really really fast but its not a real world or person reality.
Sorry there is no solution here just some notes from my experience.


On what Ben said, I would opt for the 683 with 2 size masts and will need a prone foil board.

4 May 2019 11:58PM
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benmj said..
HI mate I have used all of them
I think you have to make the call on a few things.
For prone surf foil at 90 kg the 790 and 873 are great but they are prob too big to be much fun with a kite.
At 90 cm the mast is ideally a bit long for prone. especially at the start and the size of waves you catch learning you hit the bottom at times even with the 70.
The dwarf craft is also potentially on the small size for the initial stages of paddle in.
The small stabilizer is not ideal, of course you could do it but its a massive compromise given the increase in front wing size. A shim would help make it more effective but not ideal.
The 633 and 683 with 90 mast is a perfect combo for light wind and slow foiling carving on waves
I have prone surfed those wings but you need bigger waves and the pump aspect does not really exist.
For example I gave one to John John florence . 683 and 90 mast . he was able to link close swells if he kept going really really fast but its not a real world or person reality.
Sorry there is no solution here just some notes from my experience.


Thanks benmj, lots of good advise to take on from that. :)

I ended up ordering the 790 and the 483 stabiliser as primarily looking for something for Prone that I can then use a for those light wind days.. will give you some feed back once tried out.

Didn't think about the mast length being an issue so might end up needing a shorter mast aswell.

Thanks for all your advice.

Dan

drsurf
NSW, 41 posts
5 May 2019 2:22AM
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Mmm yes, wrong South Coast
Look forward to a review on the 790 wing set.

Have fun, Dave

warwickl
NSW, 1198 posts
4 Aug 2019 7:33PM
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First short session on the 790 wing.
Situation :
10m strutless Cloud kite on 32m race lines, in 5 to 6 kn steady breeze. At ground level hardly any feel of breeze on my face.
790 was smooth up onto the foil and silky smooth in flight.
I now have my perfect light wind combination .
My kit is now the 683 and 790 which covers light wind kiting to SUP foiling .

Duff15
VIC, 218 posts
6 Aug 2019 12:49PM
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warwickl said..
First short session on the 790 wing.
Situation :
10m strutless Cloud kite on 32m race lines, in 5 to 6 kn steady breeze. At ground level hardly any feel of breeze on my face.
790 was smooth up onto the foil and silky smooth in flight.
I now have my perfect light wind combination .
My kit is now the 683 and 790 which covers light wind kiting to SUP foiling .


How does the 683 and 790 compare on wind range?

warwickl
NSW, 1198 posts
7 Aug 2019 7:46AM
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Duff15 said..

warwickl said..
First short session on the 790 wing.
Situation :
10m strutless Cloud kite on 32m race lines, in 5 to 6 kn steady breeze. At ground level hardly any feel of breeze on my face.
790 was smooth up onto the foil and silky smooth in flight.
I now have my perfect light wind combination .
My kit is now the 683 and 790 which covers light wind kiting to SUP foiling .



How does the 683 and 790 compare on wind range?


Only my first session so comments are only for super light wind.
790 is much easier to get up on the foil in these conditions ie onshore and even lighter near the shore. The 790 floats my board on its side so this also made starting easier in shallow water .
Once out in about 6kn knots of wind both work but 683 needs to work kite.

warwickl
NSW, 1198 posts
Sunday , 18 Aug 2019 1:54PM
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Update
Yesterday on 790 in wind starting at 8kn and went to 15kn 8m kite.
Easy up on foil stable and when trying to touch down to switch feet on my bad side I had to almost stop. Maximum speed 24kph but I really did not push for speed. No control issues or drag feeling when 15kn wind.
Today on 683 in 10 to almost 15kn and 8m kite it was a little slower up on foil similar stability max speed 28.5kph but again did not try for speed just went with the little swell that was on offer.
To start today I SUP foiled on the 790 and it is perfect for me as a beginner and managed one memorable nice longish ride and easy to control.

emmafoils
72 posts
Sunday , 18 Aug 2019 5:24PM
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Not that long ago, 1200 cm2 wings where considered huge and maybe too big for kiting and now they are pretty average. The trends seems to be towards even bigger wings now. I see more people liking wings in the 1500 cm2 range for kiting though others are still skeptical. People who tend to like riding smaller kites (for a given wind speed) will do better with the bigger wings. The 790 has a slightly higher aspect ratio which helps minimize some increased drag with invariably comes when wings get bigger.

paperfolder
QLD, 12 posts
Wednesday , 21 Aug 2019 8:48PM
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warwickl said..
Update
Yesterday on 790 in wind starting at 8kn and went to 15kn 8m kite.
Easy up on foil stable and when trying to touch down to switch feet on my bad side I had to almost stop. Maximum speed 24kph but I really did not push for speed. No control issues or drag feeling when 15kn wind.
Today on 683 in 10 to almost 15kn and 8m kite it was a little slower up on foil similar stability max speed 28.5kph but again did not try for speed just went with the little swell that was on offer.
To start today I SUP foiled on the 790 and it is perfect for me as a beginner and managed one memorable nice longish ride and easy to control.


Out of curiosity mate, what's your weight?

warwickl
NSW, 1198 posts
Thursday , 22 Aug 2019 7:17AM
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paperfolder said..

warwickl said..
Update
Yesterday on 790 in wind starting at 8kn and went to 15kn 8m kite.
Easy up on foil stable and when trying to touch down to switch feet on my bad side I had to almost stop. Maximum speed 24kph but I really did not push for speed. No control issues or drag feeling when 15kn wind.
Today on 683 in 10 to almost 15kn and 8m kite it was a little slower up on foil similar stability max speed 28.5kph but again did not try for speed just went with the little swell that was on offer.
To start today I SUP foiled on the 790 and it is perfect for me as a beginner and managed one memorable nice longish ride and easy to control.



Out of curiosity mate, what's your weight?


76kg



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