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Small low volume foil board

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Created by horey69 2 months ago, 18 Jul 2019
Arcprof
QLD, 3 posts
29 Aug 2019 8:27PM
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Hope this board is in topic. At 1130mm long it's a bit tall but only 350mm at widest point. Three sheets of 4mm ply so only 12mm thick (deck padding excluded) so it is LOW volume. Originally built as a finless TT and featuring water release edges aka Underground's WT series TTs from the start of this century, it has been collecting dust in my shed after a few trials revealed you can go too small on a TT. Then I got into foiling and recently got myself a Naish Hover 130. Proved to me on my first session that you don't need volume in a foil board. So converted the "peanut" board for foiling with the main feature, a thick foam mat glued on the deck so she don't sink.
Can now report it does work. Wouldn't be my first choice on a light day but you quickly adjust to the takeoff requirements. You can learn a lot from these trials. I struggled taking off on my normally good side but found it easier on my "bad" side. I think the narrower board allowed me to get over the foil quicker. Not sure about the thick deck padding. I now know i like a firm contact with the mast and board. A spongy feel is a negative and will look to put some high density pads under the rear hook and straps. Nice seeing other people's creations.
Cheers Jim











bigtone667
NSW, 1060 posts
29 Aug 2019 9:46PM
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Arcprof said..
Hope this board is in topic. At 1130mm long it's a bit tall but only 350mm at widest point. Three sheets of 4mm ply so only 12mm thick (deck padding excluded) so it is LOW volume. Originally built as a finless TT and featuring water release edges aka Underground's WT series TTs from the start of this century, it has been collecting dust in my shed after a few trials revealed you can go too small on a TT. Then I got into foiling and recently got myself a Naish Hover 130. Proved to me on my first session that you don't need volume in a foil board. So converted the "peanut" board for foiling with the main feature, a thick foam mat glued on the deck so she don't sink.
Can now report it does work. Wouldn't be my first choice on a light day but you quickly adjust to the takeoff requirements. You can learn a lot from these trials. I struggled taking off on my normally good side but found it easier on my "bad" side. I think the narrower board allowed me to get over the foil quicker. Not sure about the thick deck padding. I now know i like a firm contact with the mast and board. A spongy feel is a negative and will look to put some high density pads under the rear hook and straps. Nice seeing other people's creations.
Cheers Jim












Great solution. I have a Cabrinha wake skate that might get re-purposed in a similar way.

bigtone667
NSW, 1060 posts
30 Aug 2019 5:33PM
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bigtone667 said..
Mine is getting smaller (with foot pads)..



Left room to lose another 10cm.


Tested successfully this afternoon. I can take another 100mm off. Will be 800mm long.

Feels really weird 'cause I can no longer see any board to judge my height above he water.

warwickl
NSW, 1231 posts
30 Aug 2019 10:07PM
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bigtone667 said..

bigtone667 said..
Mine is getting smaller (with foot pads)..



Left room to lose another 10cm.



Tested successfully this afternoon. I can take another 100mm off. Will be 800mm long.

Feels really weird 'cause I can no longer see any board to judge my height above he water.


So strapless as well
Was it easier than a bigger board to get up strapless

bigtone667
NSW, 1060 posts
30 Aug 2019 10:16PM
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warwickl said..

bigtone667 said..


bigtone667 said..
Mine is getting smaller (with foot pads)..



Left room to lose another 10cm.




Tested successfully this afternoon. I can take another 100mm off. Will be 800mm long.

Feels really weird 'cause I can no longer see any board to judge my height above he water.



So strapless as well
Was it easier than a bigger board to get up strapless


Bigger board is easier....

Swavek
WA, 307 posts
3 Sep 2019 10:30AM
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bigtone667 said..

warwickl said..


bigtone667 said..



bigtone667 said..
Mine is getting smaller (with foot pads)..



Left room to lose another 10cm.





Tested successfully this afternoon. I can take another 100mm off. Will be 800mm long.

Feels really weird 'cause I can no longer see any board to judge my height above he water.




So strapless as well
Was it easier than a bigger board to get up strapless



Bigger board is easier....


If the board is wide and big it is harder to keep it on the side for the water start - so bigger to a degree, but not too much volume and not too wide.

Nearly anything can work as board with you are experienced foiler and almost never fall off your board. The board is important for learning when you water starting a lot (or for low wind under powered conditions when you need couple strikes of kite to get going).

KBGhost
QLD, 37 posts
10 Sep 2019 9:45PM
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Finally got out for a 2nd session on my CarbonCo board today.

I had it all sorted:
Day off work
No kids
Wind forecast
Sunshine (bonus)

Nothing's gonna stop me now... Then my usual spot caught fire overnight.

I was forced to try somewhere new, by myself, lots of sandbars and at low tide. New board and front wing. I was a bit nervous.

What can I say? Had a blast. Totally love the small board. Yes it's slightly harder, but it just makes me feel so good riding it.

Due to the short space I was forced to string together a lot of toeside and heelside carves. Felt awesome, like I can finally foil properly.

Toeside riding fast and powered with the foil up high holding your breath over shallow sandbars is a whole new rush lol.

www.relive.cc/view/gh40375610178

JZOrewa
20 posts
11 Sep 2019 4:43AM
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KBGhost said..
Finally got out for a 2nd session on my CarbonCo board today.

I had it all sorted:
Day off work
No kids
Wind forecast
Sunshine (bonus)

Nothing's gonna stop me now... Then my usual spot caught fire overnight.

I was forced to try somewhere new, by myself, lots of sandbars and at low tide. New board and front wing. I was a bit nervous.

What can I say? Had a blast. Totally love the small board. Yes it's slightly harder, but it just makes me feel so good riding it.

Due to the short space I was forced to string together a lot of toeside and heelside carves. Felt awesome, like I can finally foil properly.

Toeside riding fast and powered with the foil up high holding your breath over shallow sandbars is a whole new rush lol.

www.relive.cc/view/gh40375610178


Nice video of the session. How do you do it? Is it from Garmin?

KBGhost
QLD, 37 posts
11 Sep 2019 7:31AM
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It track my sessions with a Garmin forerunner which is really basic but works and was $40 in gumtree.

I recently found this app called Relive, after installing you go into the Garmin connect app and authorise it to export to relive.

Being cheap I have up take the watch off, plug into my computer, and sync manually. After that relive pops up on my phone and says there's a new activity, do I want to make a video.

Sorry about unrelated pic at start, it was asking for one. I'll ignore next time.

JZOrewa
20 posts
11 Sep 2019 7:30AM
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KBGhost said..
It track my sessions with a Garmin forerunner which is really basic but works and was $40 in gumtree.

I recently found this app called Relive, after installing you go into the Garmin connect app and authorise it to export to relive.

Being cheap I have up take the watch off, plug into my computer, and sync manually. After that relive pops up on my phone and says there's a new activity, do I want to make a video.

Sorry about unrelated pic at start, it was asking for one. I'll ignore next time.


Awesome! I also have a forerunner, 920XT. Cheers mate.

AquaPlow
QLD, 741 posts
Sunday , 15 Sep 2019 12:17PM
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DukeSilver said..
Are hot wire cutters available to purchase or are they bespoke tools that need to be home built? I've just bought some XPs foam sheets and will try and create a jig for the rocker profile. Livit is a gun foil board builder so will go and see him soon for some advice on construction techniques. I'm excited and inspired by this thread and can't wait to have a go and make some mistakes.


JIC U have not resolved hot wire cutter... I went the JayCar route then when the unit did not go thru the two sheets I had stuck together - went to the old PC power supply unit.. had a few old boxes lying around - JAYCAR does have wire if you can't find right stuff. I suppose an old metal guitar string would be fine too... Just has to have enough resistance to get hot - like a toaster coil... DO NOT USE AC current only DC..
Most all PC power units run 12 V out to motherboard/peripherals and depending on what it was powering 250 - 1250 Watts.. heaps..
Cheers
AP

toppleover
QLD, 1546 posts
Sunday , 15 Sep 2019 8:21PM
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KBGhost said..
Finally got out for a 2nd session on my CarbonCo board today.

I had it all sorted:
Day off work
No kids
Wind forecast
Sunshine (bonus)

Nothing's gonna stop me now... Then my usual spot caught fire overnight.

I was forced to try somewhere new, by myself, lots of sandbars and at low tide. New board and front wing. I was a bit nervous.

What can I say? Had a blast. Totally love the small board. Yes it's slightly harder, but it just makes me feel so good riding it.

Due to the short space I was forced to string together a lot of toeside and heelside carves. Felt awesome, like I can finally foil properly.

Toeside riding fast and powered with the foil up high holding your breath over shallow sandbars is a whole new rush lol.

www.relive.cc/view/gh40375610178


So much fun when you can make it over those sandbars, they are allover the place on the sunny coast. Have not seen you at Cotton Tree yet mate, how did Weyba go with those horrible fires?

KBGhost
QLD, 37 posts
Sunday , 15 Sep 2019 8:38PM
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Mate I reckon I'm about ready for cotton tree.. I'll see you there one day I have the new axis 600 wing on your old foil and it's even better than the original.

Weyba was fine they held the fire at woodlands drive which is an old closed off road running east to west. Massive battle but they held that line. Legends.

DukeSilver
WA, 266 posts
Sunday , 15 Sep 2019 9:33PM
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AquaPlow said..

DukeSilver said..
Are hot wire cutters available to purchase or are they bespoke tools that need to be home built? I've just bought some XPs foam sheets and will try and create a jig for the rocker profile. Livit is a gun foil board builder so will go and see him soon for some advice on construction techniques. I'm excited and inspired by this thread and can't wait to have a go and make some mistakes.



JIC U have not resolved hot wire cutter... I went the JayCar route then when the unit did not go thru the two sheets I had stuck together - went to the old PC power supply unit.. had a few old boxes lying around - JAYCAR does have wire if you can't find right stuff. I suppose an old metal guitar string would be fine too... Just has to have enough resistance to get hot - like a toaster coil... DO NOT USE AC current only DC..
Most all PC power units run 12 V out to motherboard/peripherals and depending on what it was powering 250 - 1250 Watts.. heaps..
Cheers
AP


Thanks for the info. No I haven't yet so will look into that option.

derek72
WA, 15 posts
Monday , 16 Sep 2019 2:00PM
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Am loving the ideas in this thread, lots of great ideas and innovation and interesting board builds. I am time poor so I bit the bullet and bought a carbon co nang 100 and spoke with Mitchell on the phone about adding some beef to the nose and some more rocker, will post pics when I get the board. I also have an old wakeskate that I have punched four holes in and flattened off a section for the foil plate, I did this when I started to learn foiling earlier this year but could not get up on the north foil I had with it. Now I'm on a 633 (and i can foil now) I might have another go of that board, will see how it goes. Also I have a mate who has bought a wooden flat board - I think from South Africa, he reckons it rides great, also his mate built a tiny carbon board which he uses for lake riding in Europe somewhere, bot interesting looking boards, pics below. I am still keen to buy some bunnings XPS and have a go at bending it and glassing/carbon cloth and see how it goes, just a matter of finding time.








dafish
NSW, 1367 posts
Monday , 16 Sep 2019 6:12PM
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I too have been time poor in relation to being able to build a new board this year. While overseas I got in touch with Mitch at Carbon Co and he crafted me up a nice little board in the Nang 1000. I rode it yesterday briefly but wind shut off after three or four tacks. The balance and swing weight on this is pretty sweet given the very short time I had, but it instantly felt right once planing. I need time to dial it in, but will post photos of the board in action soon. Mitch was an easy guy to work with and he seems eager to make sure you get what you want. No garage time for me this year! New ride is already under way.

derek72
WA, 15 posts
Tuesday , 17 Sep 2019 7:17AM
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This board looks pretty ideal

dafish
NSW, 1367 posts
Tuesday , 17 Sep 2019 11:05AM
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This has been the evolution for me in the three years of foiling, started off on a converted old surfboard that I hacked together, then shaped the Paipo on the left, then the following year I did a smaller version. This year sees the new Nang in action. The Slingshot converter on the left is one I bought to travel with but not sure about the normal deck now that I have been foiling for a while. I really like the deck nice and flat.


djdojo
VIC, 1536 posts
Tuesday , 17 Sep 2019 1:42PM
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^^^ Yes, side to side the deck should definitely be flat.

DukeSilver
WA, 266 posts
Tuesday , 17 Sep 2019 6:16PM
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djdojo said..
^^^ Yes, side to side the deck should definitely be flat.


+2. I agree re. flat decks. I had a go on my mate's Cab X-Breed. The convex deck did not feel good to me at all.



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