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Grunt and low bar pressure

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Created by gorgemay 3 months ago, 3 Sep 2018
gorgemay
56 posts
3 Sep 2018 7:02AM
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is it possible to have a kite with great low end grunt, great range at top end and have light to medium bar pressure? If so what kite is this?

kkiter
NSW, 444 posts
3 Sep 2018 10:10AM
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Ozone Edge has those qualities

Ozone Kites Aus
NSW, 688 posts
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3 Sep 2018 10:42AM
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gorgemay said..
is it possible to have a kite with great low end grunt, great range at top end and have light to medium bar pressure? If so what kite is this?


Yes, the Ozone Edge V9, Zephyr V5, Enduro V2, Reo V5, Hyperlink V1 all have those qualities of low to medium bar pressure, so easy one handed power control and turning, even the Zephyr which is a 17M. Foil kites like the Hyperlink V1 and Chrono V3 have the best wind range in my experience. At 75kg the Chrono V3 UL is ging me a better bottom end than the Zephyr but it is a super light weight kite and definitely not suited to rough handling or proper waver riding.

bjw
NSW, 2616 posts
3 Sep 2018 11:08AM
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... no bias intended

Ozone Kites Aus
NSW, 688 posts
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3 Sep 2018 12:00PM
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I thought my bias was blindingly obvious, but just to make it clear - I'm recommending Ozone kites, because I know them well, and I'm the Australian distributor.

Cygnify
QLD, 57 posts
3 Sep 2018 1:37PM
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Another option is core xr5

Fly on da wall
VIC, 644 posts
3 Sep 2018 3:15PM
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Naish Ar5 Delaminator.. Ticks all your boxes.

Richoa
NSW, 445 posts
3 Sep 2018 7:37PM
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Ozone Kites Aus said..

gorgemay said..
is it possible to have a kite with great low end grunt, great range at top end and have light to medium bar pressure? If so what kite is this?



Yes, the Ozone Edge V9, Zephyr V5, Enduro V2, Reo V5, Hyperlink V1 all have those qualities of low to medium bar pressure, so easy one handed power control and turning, even the Zephyr which is a 17M. Foil kites like the Hyperlink V1 and Chrono V3 have the best wind range in my experience. At 75kg the Chrono V3 UL is ging me a better bottom end than the Zephyr but it is a super light weight kite and definitely not suited to rough handling or proper waver riding.


Not looking to argue but I have an old zephyr v4 think. But whilst I enjoy flying it and think its a great kite for its catergory. I have never thought it had a light bar pressure, So what do you call heavy bar pressure in post 2013 kites?

Hopefully this compliments ops question

eppo
WA, 6706 posts
3 Sep 2018 7:58PM
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The zephyr went increasingly higher aspect and the bar pressure did ease off... but it was never heavy.

BrisKites
QLD, 1216 posts
4 Sep 2018 8:28PM
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Are you asking for large kites or any size?

Puetz
NT, 2095 posts
4 Sep 2018 11:04PM
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Fly on da wall said..
Naish Ar5 Delaminator.. Ticks all your boxes.


hahahaha,,,,, I still have a 5.5m AR5 in my shed,,,, yep, its THE Delaminator of all delaminators and all will bow down to the best delaminator in the business (except the ARX,,,, that was next level).

cauncy
WA, 6545 posts
4 Sep 2018 9:41PM
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BrisKites said..
Are you asking for large kites or any size?


A kite that has a very similar feel throughout the quiver has always been a must for me, also a good sign that each size has been designed well, I've owned a few brands where the 8/10 has been worlds apart from the 12 almost unrelated in feel,
never loved a light pressure, tbh Carnt beat a kite that has a very direct attached feel , wind strengths can add a bit more pressure especially in their upper ranges, as Mctool mentioned a kite that's effortless to fly one handed is a good sign of decent grunt/ pull and kites like the edge / rebel I found were great with a great mid pressure feel at the bar for getting low on your edge with little or no redirection, certain kites just dump the power when you lock in a solid edge and you have to keep redirecting and get a bit flatter on the board as the Kite lacks that drive, not everyone's requirement but something I look for




SaveTheWhales
WA, 1585 posts
5 Sep 2018 4:45AM
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Stay away from black kites, they absorb the most Sun rays - being slower on the UP stroke because of resistance...

Richoa
NSW, 445 posts
5 Sep 2018 1:47PM
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SaveTheWhales said..
Stay away from black kites, they absorb the most Sun rays - being slower on the UP stroke because of resistance...


is that why Cauncy is in all black to create extra edge resistance.

very hitech sport

lucy5
QLD, 49 posts
5 Sep 2018 11:22PM
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Richoa said..

Ozone Kites Aus said..


gorgemay said..
is it possible to have a kite with great low end grunt, great range at top end and have light to medium bar pressure? If so what kite is this?




Yes, the Ozone Edge V9, Zephyr V5, Enduro V2, Reo V5, Hyperlink V1 all have those qualities of low to medium bar pressure, so easy one handed power control and turning, even the Zephyr which is a 17M. Foil kites like the Hyperlink V1 and Chrono V3 have the best wind range in my experience. At 75kg the Chrono V3 UL is ging me a better bottom end than the Zephyr but it is a super light weight kite and definitely not suited to rough handling or proper waver riding.



Not looking to argue but I have an old zephyr v4 think. But whilst I enjoy flying it and think its a great kite for its catergory. I have never thought it had a light bar pressure, So what do you call heavy bar pressure in post 2013 kites?

Hopefully this compliments ops question


I had the v5 I wouldn't call it light to medium bar pressure with the new bar I'd say more medium and a touch more

Intheozone
WA, 236 posts
6 Sep 2018 1:37PM
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Its been said a bit higher but the XR5 is very direct, and does not have a ridiculous amount of bar pressure. plus you can adjust the settings to make it lighter

yendor
NSW, 253 posts
24 Sep 2018 2:28PM
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Can anyone compare bar pressure between 2017 naish pivot vs slash 2017.
Thinking of getting a 9 slash.

yendor
NSW, 253 posts
25 Sep 2018 5:53PM
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Anyone ^^^^^

kkiter
NSW, 444 posts
25 Sep 2018 9:44PM
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Local guys here fly both of those kites. I've only flown the Pivot which has a light bar pressure, but have been told that the Slash bar pressure is heavy similar to the old Parks.

cauncy
WA, 6545 posts
25 Sep 2018 8:27PM
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Cygnify said..
Another option is core xr5


feel spongy to me compared to ozone, especially in lower to mid range

PusherII
13 posts
16 Oct 2018 5:27AM
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cauncy said..

Cygnify said..
Another option is core xr5



feel spongy to me compared to ozone, especially in lower to mid range


Confirm xr5 is a valid option

martinmm5
NSW, 37 posts
17 Oct 2018 8:38PM
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It sounds as Ozone Edge V9. Have 10m and waiting for 8m.

warwickl
NSW, 1045 posts
18 Oct 2018 11:02AM
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SaveTheWhales said..
Stay away from black kites, they absorb the most Sun rays - being slower on the UP stroke because of resistance...



Black material mostly have the best up resistance.
Black is used extensively in boat canopies etc where boats are in the weather 24/7.
White and fluro colours are bad news uv wise.
Fashion diticates what colors are used.

Gazuki
WA, 806 posts
18 Oct 2018 10:05AM
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That's interesting? I run black kites and I always thought they would be more prone. Do you know the science behind this, would be interesting?

NorthernKitesAUS
QLD, 674 posts
18 Oct 2018 1:23PM
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Flysurfer Soul - beats any LEI hands down for both low-end and stable and forgiving bar-pressure.

Gateman
QLD, 190 posts
18 Oct 2018 4:54PM
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Gazuki said..
That's interesting? I run black kites and I always thought they would be more prone. Do you know the science behind this, would be interesting?


One of the best UV stabilises is Carbon (which is black) but doesn't lend itself well to white or coloured products. I always use black zip ties instead of white because they last twice as long if outdoors.
Doesnt mean that your black kite has Carbon in the fabric as a UV stabiliser though ....



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