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New Aluula Kite Material

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Created by EastCC > 9 months ago, 26 Jun 2019
causehecan
WA, 668 posts
21 Aug 2019 3:19PM
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I keep reading the quote and cant see the problem at all.

Maybe i should have put "in comparison" in bold?

Might need to look up the importance of weight in paragliders and parachutes and reserve chutes.... Because in comparison to kites it really matters for them and not so much for kites? Particularly lei kites ? Whats the boggle?

bjw
NSW, 3567 posts
21 Aug 2019 6:02PM
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This all won't matter if the kite is 2500+ ex bar.

simon78
NSW, 115 posts
21 Aug 2019 6:41PM
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I love light kites, less bar pressure, less turning input before I feel lines stretching/ delaying my work, is my thing,

single strut kites 10m and up?

A heavy 5 strut construction expands the high end of a kite exponentially perfect for a one kite quiver. From 9-12m

Lol! Running a 4 kites at this moment

causehecan
WA, 668 posts
21 Aug 2019 6:07PM
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I just like how the have a BLADDER SOLUTION which sounds like a membrane thats sprayed onto the inside of the leading edge and struts kinda like when you put glue on your hands as a kid then peeled it off. Im imagineing that... Sand (inside the struts etc from pumping) is going to anhilate that if its not actually permeated into the fabric itself. I cant understand how a repair would go down... injected from the outside? tire slime? ...So it must be something else...

What i found most upsetting was the statement that kite designs hit a peak for years and only improvements is materials...

Concave kites would loop so ballsout amazingly hard your arms would be removed from theyre sockets so just make an exoskeleton like bar/arm/body harness thing and wahhllaaaa 2021 robotcop bar and concave kiteloops

bjw
NSW, 3567 posts
21 Aug 2019 8:17PM
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I'm still convinced the struts should be on the back of the kites canopy.

Oh yeh and from Aluula.

simon78
NSW, 115 posts
21 Aug 2019 8:26PM
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Baton? Back or front visible from both sides- hopefully.

causehecan
WA, 668 posts
21 Aug 2019 6:28PM
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Im convinced if you had a concave leading edge and concave trailing edge with a double wedge airfoil and lets say 70% of the material was in the pure C kites wingtips that kite could hardly even stay floating in sky unless it was SUPER WINDY i mean like youd need 30knots to hold up 20 square meter kite... but if you looped it...... All that material on the wings would become active and Well youd be looping a 20m kite in 30 knots. Itd be like hitting a bouncy ball with a tennis raquet

amirite
350 posts
21 Aug 2019 7:31PM
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needs to repair aluula kite
sews on dacron patch

causehecan
WA, 668 posts
21 Aug 2019 9:26PM
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amirite said..
needs to repair aluula kite
sews on dacron patch


Hahaha thats actually a funny one. Im curious to see what this bladder system is if it cant be removed then how can it be sewn?

Great now im channelling will smiths kid

EastCC
QLD, 354 posts
22 Aug 2019 5:57AM
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causehecan said..
I just like how the have a BLADDER SOLUTION which sounds like a membrane thats sprayed onto the inside of the leading edge and struts kinda like when you put glue on your hands as a kid then peeled it off. Im imagineing that... Sand (inside the struts etc from pumping) is going to anhilate that if its not actually permeated into the fabric itself. I cant understand how a repair would go down... injected from the outside? tire slime? ...So it must be something else


It's not bladderless.
The bladder is made from Aluula as well, different composition to the LE material. Permanent repairs are done with Aluula repair material and heat transfer.
I believe temporary repairs can be done with regular repair kits etc but they are just that, temporary repairs.

causehecan
WA, 668 posts
22 Aug 2019 5:54AM
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You plastic weld it?!? Thats pretty cool


So same material but different amount of heat before it liquifys then solidifys ... ? Can you confirm if its removeable? Or am i going to have to school up in keyhole surgery

dachopper
WA, 1784 posts
22 Aug 2019 1:29PM
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amirite said..
needs to repair aluula kite
sews on dacron patch


Think tyre repair, pump up and put soapy water on bladder to find leak where bubbles form...... paint with thermostat plastic, or inject with small injector.



What I want to know, if it doesn't rip and it's 10x stronger, how does it fold up?


I'm waiting for the inflatible dualskin to come out. With reverse launch line

bjw
NSW, 3567 posts
22 Aug 2019 6:52PM
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2021 Game changer, Aluula that folds to fit in a bag.

We all wish the best for the new tech, but it'll be impossible for their not to be teething issues in Gen 1.

causehecan
WA, 668 posts
22 Aug 2019 7:19PM
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If we had its real intended purpose we could see how and what they do to that product and then we would at least know it was designed to do that.

My moneys on inflatable buildings

bjw
NSW, 3567 posts
23 Aug 2019 7:54AM
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I thought its intended purpose was to make me spend an extra grand on each kite?

eppo
WA, 9372 posts
23 Aug 2019 7:38AM
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... we will see. But the actual kite design has to work as well. Surely it will change the profile, outline, leading edge diameter etc and the bridling. That's gonna take some tweaking. But it's a step in the right direction.

bjw
NSW, 3567 posts
23 Aug 2019 9:55AM
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Out of interest, why did they stop using Cuban fibre?

It enabled the kite to be lighter, stiffer and smaller LE.

amirite
350 posts
23 Aug 2019 8:29AM
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cuban fibre went bang
blue tarp painted silver

KPSS Used
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23 Aug 2019 5:24PM
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bjw said..
Out of interest, why did they stop using Cuban fibre?

It enabled the kite to be lighter, stiffer and smaller LE.


Wasn't designed to be sewn, or perhaps a better way to say that is that it was not designed to be sewn the way kites are constructed. All the smellfish LE's failed at the back seam, which was sewn flat on flat. Almost all brands have stopped using 2 seams in the Leading edge.

bjw
NSW, 3567 posts
23 Aug 2019 7:09PM
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But didn't they run quite a few kites from it post Hellfish?

peppedurso
25 posts
25 Aug 2019 6:44AM
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Hi, I'm looking for data sheets of Dacron, D2 ripstop and quadtex by Naish.
Do you guys have any info? It would be cool to make a serious comparison with some detailed info.
Thank you in advance!

bjw
NSW, 3567 posts
25 Aug 2019 8:57AM
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Check out the websites for Teijin. They make most brands sail cloth, along with clothes and most after plastic things we use.

Ozone Kites Aus
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25 Aug 2019 1:23PM
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bjw said..
But didn't they run quite a few kites from it post Hellfish?


Yeah they used small pieces of it on the LE. They changed their construction technique too, but it was actually pretty heavy as cloth goes. Best was and still is a con job.

amirite
350 posts
25 Aug 2019 4:26PM
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Ozone Kites Aus said.
Best was and still is a con job.

but wait
there's more

peppedurso
25 posts
25 Aug 2019 6:09PM
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bjw said..
Check out the websites for Teijin. They make most brands sail cloth, along with clothes and most after plastic things we use.


Checked already. No info at all.

causehecan
WA, 668 posts
26 Aug 2019 10:04AM
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Ozone Kites Aus said..

bjw said..
But didn't they run quite a few kites from it post Hellfish?



Yeah they used small pieces of it on the LE. They changed their construction technique too, but it was actually pretty heavy as cloth goes. Best was and still is a con job.



Speaking of con jobs did you hear what happened with zian?

amirite
350 posts
26 Aug 2019 11:30AM
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eppo said..
Twice as light 10 times stronger

if it ain't true
it should be

bjw
NSW, 3567 posts
26 Aug 2019 6:29PM
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amirite said..

eppo said..
Twice as light 10 times stronger



Couldn't they then make it 1/20 of the weight, with the original strength?

That'd use less material and cut the cost too.

I know.. tell him he's dreamin

NorthernKitesAUS
QLD, 1061 posts
3 Sep 2019 10:38AM
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causehecan said..
Speaking of con jobs did you hear what happened with zian?


Enlighten us oh great CC!

causehecan
WA, 668 posts
3 Sep 2019 4:16PM
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Well its a pretty wild ride !! Jemma seems to be quite vocal over social media about it maybe we could summon her or craggers to lay down the knowledge.



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