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Tennis Elbows (worlds sexiest injury) and Bar pressure?

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Created by Hotzenplotz 24 days ago, 26 Aug 2019
Hotzenplotz
NSW, 13 posts
26 Aug 2019 7:48PM
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Hello,

Has anyone got some advice on how to move forward and kitesurf again. Been working through tennis elbows for a year now and can't believe this may cause another missed summer of kitesurfing. Doing my physio exercises and anything I can.
What's the lightest combo for bar pressure ( I have been on neo's) any advice appreciated as I booked northern Brazil for November as a motivator and I'm not looking on track.

bjw
NSW, 2880 posts
26 Aug 2019 8:29PM
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I've not had it really bad, but when I've got it, I just do that stretch where you invert your hand, push your palm out and stretch your fingers back. I do it all the time, driving, watching telly, whenever. That helped.

TomKites
4 posts
26 Aug 2019 8:39PM
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This video from OK Kiteboarder gives a good explanation of the causes and treatments.

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However, the Theraband rehab tool was the most helpful in solving my case:


Hope this helps,
T

the truth
QLD, 178 posts
26 Aug 2019 10:57PM
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Learn to relax your grip and even just use your fingers. Only get it occasionally when in gusty winds and have to force myself to relax my grip occasionally. Hint - it's the difference between pink and purple.

cauncy
WA, 7493 posts
26 Aug 2019 9:30PM
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Vaseline , mansize tissues and
red tube ,

Plummet
4543 posts
27 Aug 2019 2:22AM
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Some kites have silly bar pressure. Demo and find a kite with light bar pressure than you enjoy flying.


Ozones typically have light bar pressure.

SaveTheWhales
WA, 1678 posts
27 Aug 2019 4:49AM
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Just buy the new 9m Soul when it comes out. Very light bar pressure
Compared to inflatables.. ****loads of power and finger tip flying.

Use a bar with an adjustable stopper, lock it on until your ready for a trick..

bjw
NSW, 2880 posts
27 Aug 2019 8:02AM
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cauncy said..
Vaseline , red size tissues and
Man tube ,


Thats what Cauncy does..

Keeps his cost of good low and his crema thick.

causehecan
WA, 666 posts
27 Aug 2019 6:15AM
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Cant decide what genre of music a band called man tube would play

Happy2kite
QLD, 22 posts
27 Aug 2019 8:38AM
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Are you flying underpowered. Ie always having to move your kite. As flying in light winds causes tendonitis as you are moving your elbows and arms to the extreme to keep the kite moving especially if you are persisting with it for more than a hr. Try getting a big kite for light wind days.
I've been kiting for 21yrs and if I go out in crap wind on my 14m. For more than 2hrs my elbows will be a little sore.
But as quoted by others it will get better and most kiters have had it at some stage.
But in the meantime suck it up princess take a pain killer and enjoy your kite holiday.
Chin ups help strengthen it.
Also as the truth said relax your grip a bit. I've seen so many crew gripping so hard. Let the harness take the pull and just lighten up hand pressure it helps tremendously when you start going for rotations,grabs etc.
All the best with it. Welcome to kiting as it's a common injury that we all have had.
And any kite that is tuned to fly off the front lines instead of back usually have way lighter bar pressure.

psychojoe
WA, 477 posts
27 Aug 2019 7:13AM
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Massaging the abductors in your armpit works. Not sure which line of doctoring that comes from. Probably reflexology or Bowen or Emmett therapy.

Bishnack
WA, 39 posts
27 Aug 2019 8:25AM
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I get this every summer. I ride Ozone Edge, Catalyst and C4 (all older models).

The C4 nukes my elbow. But, the Catalyst is no problem. So, you may want to try them out.

Remedial massage is excellent. I'm told that it helps to free up all the relevant muscles that tighten up as you naturally start to compensate for loss of strength and pain.

Good luck.

yendor
NSW, 258 posts
27 Aug 2019 11:02AM
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When riding one handed,
have your hand palm up.
This solved my problem.
As for kites with low bar pressure that I have are.
cabo 2016 and catalyst 2015.

causehecan
WA, 666 posts
27 Aug 2019 9:30AM
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Rather then this nonsense about kites and bar pressure could you know... Learn to trim your kites...

Hotzenplotz
NSW, 13 posts
27 Aug 2019 11:41AM
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Awesome work thanks everyone.
Been told to work hard then get a shot of cortisone before going as well..

Greenarrowz
NSW, 285 posts
27 Aug 2019 12:24PM
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If your committed you'll go through golfers elbows after your tennis elbows .....

That is the path to a seasoned booster.

You have tendonitis ....
Forearm stretches and exersizes to promote flow to tendons....so they can heal.
Eat well and keep hydrated.
Never stop kiting...just rest when it gets intense and go again next day.

Hotzenplotz
NSW, 13 posts
27 Aug 2019 1:42PM
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TomKites said..
This video from OK Kiteboarder gives a good explanation of the causes and treatments.
m

However, the Theraband rehab tool was the most helpful in solving my case:


Hope this helps,
T



Spot on thanks

Underoath
QLD, 2391 posts
27 Aug 2019 5:22PM
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Have a child, the time off the water in the first 2 years will be enough to fully recover.

amirite
350 posts
27 Aug 2019 3:55PM
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Underoath said..
Have a child, the time off the water in the first 2 years will be enough to fully recover.

i'm thinking daddy-brain
sorry

speedy87
VIC, 75 posts
27 Aug 2019 7:58PM
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Get yourself a seat harness,helps a lot having that bar closer to your body.ozone chrono v3 has really light bar pressure,helped for me along with doing the exercises in those videos.good look ??

weebitbreezy
404 posts
28 Aug 2019 9:39PM
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speedy87 said..
Get yourself a seat harness,helps a lot having that bar closer to your body.ozone chrono v3 has really light bar pressure,helped for me along with doing the exercises in those videos.good look ??


Ermm. Are you sure that a seat harness gets the bar closer to your body?

I think you'll find that (excepting when stood on the beach where the kite is straight up) a waist harness will bring the bar closer to your shoulders. Its pythagoras init'

I have heard that foil kites generate power in a much more linear fashion than some LEIs though. Might be a good option to get sessions in whilst doing rehab.

Marvin
WA, 588 posts
29 Aug 2019 6:27PM
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Greenarrowz said..
If your committed you'll go through golfers elbows after your tennis elbows .....

That is the path to a seasoned booster.

You have tendonitis ....
Forearm stretches and exersizes to promote flow to tendons....so they can heal.
Eat well and keep hydrated.
Never stop kiting...just rest when it gets intense and go again next day.


Yep ^

I am 18 months in with theraband strengthening of my tennis elbow. 15 - 30 reps every day for the rest of my days. Problem solved.

Graduated to golfers elbow as a result about a year ago. Reversed position theraband strengthening a further 30 reps per day. Nearly got that beat too. ??

Surfer62
VIC, 1275 posts
31 Aug 2019 9:42AM
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Plummet said..
Some kites have silly bar pressure. Demo and find a kite with light bar pressure than you enjoy flying.


Ozones typically have light bar pressure.



Never had kiter elbow until this week, just spent 8 days straight powered/overpowered on my 9 edge in Indo, the usual light bar pressure of the edge didn't help, kiting 4 sessions a day in 30 plus knots just over did it a tad, never though I would need a 7m kite in Indo, could have used it for the whole 8 days instead of the 9, will be packing a 7 next year.

Ok kiter vid above is awesome, I thought I had torn a muscle, hopefully just a temporary condition, thanks hotz.

Spitfire
WA, 355 posts
31 Aug 2019 5:29PM
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I find that i get kiters elbow when the wind is light and the kite has to be worked constantly rather than windy days where you can just lock it in.

tarquin1
245 posts
31 Aug 2019 8:29PM
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Acupuncture helped me. Wasn't a believer but it worked. Had really bad tendinitis over a year ago. 3 sessions and a healthy diet. Keep hydrated and lots of omega 3. Stretches exercise as above and it went away. Don't worry I'm back on the piss and feeling normal again.

tarquin1
245 posts
31 Aug 2019 8:48PM
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And Turmeric. Just remembered. I was taking the capsules. Google it there has been loads of studies that say it MIGHT help. Mine was torn so I was told to stay away from the cortisone injections.

bjw
NSW, 2880 posts
1 Sep 2019 8:16AM
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Get to an Indian Grocery store to buy turmeric. Its much cheaper. They say you have to add pepper to it to make it much more effective.

Happy2kite
QLD, 22 posts
1 Sep 2019 12:21PM
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bjw said..
Get to an Indian Grocery store to buy turmeric. Its much cheaper. They say you have to add pepper to it to make it much more effective.


Correct but also add coconut oil as well as turmeric is fat absorbed

Gorgo
VIC, 4268 posts
1 Sep 2019 4:59PM
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Tennis elbow is caused by poor technique. Riding with the bar scrunched up against your body is wrong and inefficient. You choke the kite so it loses air speed and you wear yourself out.

You need to straighten your arms and correct your stance. Straighten your back, shoulders back, hips forward, front leg relatively straight, back leg relatively bent,

Steer from the shoulders with only a small amount of arm bending. You want to tension the steering line and you do that by pulling from the shoulder. Don't try and crank the bar like handle bars.

If you're underpowered then turn the kite gently up and move it back to reposition it deeper in the window. As it comes forward then ease in a little bar to stop it coming too far forward. You can also bear off and ride a bit faster to keep the kite in the window. As you build speed and power you can cut upwind and convert the power into upwind distance.

Look at using a higher back knot to get more grunt out of your kite. You need to be careful with that because it will make the kite more stall prone, especially if you're heavy handed when riding.

All these therapies are going to be useless if your technique is what is causing the tennis elbow. If you're not kiting and still have tennis elbow then it has nothing to do with the kiting.

amirite
350 posts
1 Sep 2019 4:32PM
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Gorgo said..
Tennis elbow is caused by poor technique.

when gorgo really puts you in your place
it kinda turns me on

amirite
350 posts
1 Sep 2019 4:55PM
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you are technically correct
of course, that's the best kind of correct



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