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Wingsurfing with unidirectional kiteboard?

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Created by Kit3kat 3 months ago, 13 Jun 2020
Kit3kat
QLD, 136 posts
13 Jun 2020 12:20PM
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had a break for about a year from kitesurfing as i was living in the desert for a bit. was gonna get myself a new bar and noted this new concept of wingsurfing.

looks pretty cool for traveling as it is so compact.
im 80kg 184cm and am thinking like a 6 or 7m wingsurf sail with my unidirectional (5 ft 3) kiteboard. is that possible? the board cannot carry my weight at all so id have to waterstart but it doesnt need much power to float once planing. its quite wide. not keen on foiling atm.

snalberski
WA, 728 posts
13 Jun 2020 12:49PM
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Kit3kat said..
had a break for about a year from kitesurfing as i was living in the desert for a bit. was gonna get myself a new bar and noted this new concept of wingsurfing.

looks pretty cool for traveling as it is so compact.
im 80kg 184cm and am thinking like a 6 or 7m wingsurf sail with my unidirectional (5 ft 3) kiteboard. is that possible? the board cannot carry my weight at all so id have to waterstart but it doesnt need much power to float once planing. its quite wide. not keen on foiling atm.



I dont wingsurf but have observed several wingsurfers at my local, all of whom appear to be constantly and unchangeably struggling to get any speed or realization of power, even when using a huge board with a huge foil attached. I would be guessing when I say you would probably need 25knts+ for it to even work with a tt, even if you could work out a way to launch.

wishy
WA, 1464 posts
13 Jun 2020 1:09PM
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If you want compact, why not get a Nobile splitboard and a foil kite. Then you just need a compact harness really.

Mark _australia
WA, 19970 posts
13 Jun 2020 1:51PM
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Seems even expert wing people need a board that floats them - 50L about the smallest I've seen and thats tiny, most start on 100L or so.

Kite not compact enough?

billygreen
65 posts
13 Jun 2020 5:50PM
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There's a video of guys trying this in cape Hatteras in hurricane strength winds doing a Downwinder and still wasn't enough

Kit3kat
QLD, 136 posts
13 Jun 2020 10:16PM
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strange. coz in high winds a 7m kite will also get you easily downwind and youd presume a parked 6m is the same as a "held" 6m wingsurf kite.

cauncy
WA, 7979 posts
13 Jun 2020 8:39PM
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Kit3kat said..
had a break for about a year from kitesurfing as i was living in the desert for a bit. was gonna get myself a new bar and noted this new concept of wingsurfing.

looks pretty cool for traveling as it is so compact.
im 80kg 184cm and am thinking like a 6 or 7m wingsurf sail with my unidirectional (5 ft 3) kiteboard. is that possible? the board cannot carry my weight at all so id have to waterstart but it doesnt need much power to float once planing. its quite wide. not keen on foiling atm.


Easier and cooler to move back to the desert

mazdon
1123 posts
13 Jun 2020 9:58PM
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strange. coz in high winds a 7m kite will also get you easily downwind and youd presume a parked 6m is the same as a "held" 6m wingsurf kite.


Not trying to be nasty, but you may need to google and read info on wind strength at say 25m above ground relative to ground/water level, and maybe also the physics around the power stroke of the sail

but good luck if you want to have a crack anyhow!

RAL INN
VIC, 2843 posts
14 Jun 2020 8:13AM
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There are some videos of guys starting on sinkers but it's usually sitting or kneeling to start.
but definitely not a beginners choice.
kneeling and just buoyant would be minimum but for beginners a real floater is best.

johndg
WA, 122 posts
14 Jun 2020 1:39PM
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Check out Alan Cadiz on YouTube. There are people riding surfboards now. I have have seen an instructional showing how to start by Alan. there are also people with the board underwater pumping it up onto the surface and then foiling. it can definitely be done but you may need to know what you are doing before you start. I would suggest beginning with a sup foilboard. Check of the sup forms under foiling.

Mistral Nick
QLD, 349 posts
15 Jun 2020 4:57PM
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There's quite a big wingding community on the Goldie invariably on foil boards with enough volume to stand without sinking. Some are going in quite light 10-12 knots breezes. Actually thought Seebreeze was starting a new thread for that discipline.

Peahi
VIC, 1279 posts
15 Jun 2020 6:37PM
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mazdon said..

Kit3kat said..
strange. coz in high winds a 7m kite will also get you easily downwind and youd presume a parked 6m is the same as a "held" 6m wingsurf kite.



Not trying to be nasty, but you may need to google and read info on wind strength at say 25m above ground relative to ground/water level, and maybe also the physics around the power stroke of the sail

but good luck if you want to have a crack anyhow!


It goes without saying that wind dinging is more similar to pole-dancing than kiting, even the yanking water starts look similar (maybe why surfers used to call them windwankers ).

I use a 7m surf style drifting kite in low 20's by maximizing the full wind window, something that you can really only do with a kite moving fast through the air.

I have also tried kiting in 12-13kn and prone surfboard say 45L, while you can get moving the drag of the board slows you down and its boring as bat**.

But let us know how you go, given you're so determined. I think the curiosity has got the better of all of us.

tightlines
WA, 3303 posts
15 Jun 2020 11:06PM
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One time windsurfer, long time kiter, been winging for a year.
I can get going in around 10 knots and it becomes fun around 15 with a 5 mtr wing and a big foil.
I would not even consider a wing unless you want to use it with a foil.
Maybe, just maybe, if you have never kited or windsurfed etc you may get a little bit of enjoyment out of cruising around with a wing on an old school windsurfer with a dagger board, or a big Sup with a big fin, for a while.

Anything other than that you are not going to hold ground and it's going to be hard work.

billygreen
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16 Jun 2020 6:59AM
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johndg said..
Check out Alan Cadiz on YouTube. There are people riding surfboards now. I have have seen an instructional showing how to start by Alan. there are also people with the board underwater pumping it up onto the surface and then foiling. it can definitely be done but you may need to know what you are doing before you start. I would suggest beginning with a sup foilboard. Check of the sup forms under foiling.


no one riding a surfboard sans foil champ

billygreen
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16 Jun 2020 6:59AM
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johndg said..
Check out Alan Cadiz on YouTube. There are people riding surfboards now. I have have seen an instructional showing how to start by Alan. there are also people with the board underwater pumping it up onto the surface and then foiling. it can definitely be done but you may need to know what you are doing before you start. I would suggest beginning with a sup foilboard. Check of the sup forms under foiling.


no one riding a surfboard sans foil champ

BrendanRobb
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16 Jun 2020 11:17AM
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tightlines said..
One time windsurfer, long time kiter, been winging for a year.
I can get going in around 10 knots and it becomes fun around 15 with a 5 mtr wing and a big foil.
I would not even consider a wing unless you want to use it with a foil.
Maybe, just maybe, if you have never kited or windsurfed etc you may get a little bit of enjoyment out of cruising around with a wing on an old school windsurfer with a dagger board, or a big Sup with a big fin, for a while.

Anything other than that you are not going to hold ground and it's going to be hard work.


hey tightlines, what size/type of board and foil setup do you have for winging it? cheers

Peahi
VIC, 1279 posts
16 Jun 2020 8:02PM
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billygreen said..

johndg said..
Check out Alan Cadiz on YouTube. There are people riding surfboards now. I have have seen an instructional showing how to start by Alan. there are also people with the board underwater pumping it up onto the surface and then foiling. it can definitely be done but you may need to know what you are doing before you start. I would suggest beginning with a sup foilboard. Check of the sup forms under foiling.



no one riding a surfboard sans foil champ


thanks for saving me the time

tightlines
WA, 3303 posts
17 Jun 2020 1:08AM
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tightlines said..
One time windsurfer, long time kiter, been winging for a year.
I can get going in around 10 knots and it becomes fun around 15 with a 5 mtr wing and a big foil.
I would not even consider a wing unless you want to use it with a foil.
Maybe, just maybe, if you have never kited or windsurfed etc you may get a little bit of enjoyment out of cruising around with a wing on an old school windsurfer with a dagger board, or a big Sup with a big fin, for a while.

Anything other than that you are not going to hold ground and it's going to be hard work.


hey tightlines, what size/type of board and foil setup do you have for winging it? cheers


I have 2 boards, both ONE brands

www.oneoceansports.com/foil-board-downwind-prone,

A 6'8 x 28 108.8ltr



and a 5'10 x 27.5 107ltr both were bought originally for sup foil surfing and downwinding (with a paddle)



I would love to have something a bit smaller but they work fine for now.

I have an Axis set up with a variety of wings, fuses and masts that I use for kiting, winging, surfing and downwind paddling.

For winging I mainly use the 1010 front wing for lighter wind and the 1000 when it gets a bit stronger and downwinding.

When it is very light and when I was first learning I was using the 1020 wing as well.
It gets up easiest and is nice and stable for learning gybes and foot switches etc.

For tailwings the 460 is the fastest and loosest but the 400 is what I learnt with and is a bit more stable.

I currently use 3.5 and 5 mtr F-One Swings as I am mainly interested in downwinding and wave riding and they are/were the lightest and most well behaved when just floating along depowered on the front handle.

BrendanRobb
45 posts
17 Jun 2020 7:27AM
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thanks tightlines!

billygreen
65 posts
17 Jun 2020 7:51AM
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Seems like everyone has missed the point on OP's question.

It was in relation to wing foiling a small board WITHOUT a foil. Says he is not keen on foiling ATM.

says he wants to use his 5 3 kite surfboard with the wing. there is a big difference between a nuggety sub 5' wing foil board with foil attached and a 5 3 kite surfboard with no foil. personally i find it hard to believe that it is possible without a foil on a board that small.

tightlines
WA, 3303 posts
17 Jun 2020 9:08AM
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billygreen said..
Seems like everyone has missed the point on OP's question.

It was in relation to wing foiling a small board WITHOUT a foil. Says he is not keen on foiling ATM.

says he wants to use his 5 3 kite surfboard with the wing. there is a big difference between a nuggety sub 5' wing foil board with foil attached and a 5 3 kite surfboard with no foil. personally i find it hard to believe that it is possible without a foil on a board that small.


Yeah. sorry I did hijack the thread a bit in that second post but you're right, if you read my first reply that is pretty much exactly what I said, it is not going to happen.

"I would not even consider a wing unless you want to use it with a foil."

If anyone even wanted to try, it would have to be on a big SUP at least and would be as boring as plus hard work.

The more drag you have from your board the harder it is to hang onto the wing.

edham
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6 Sep 2020 9:59PM
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I've had a go with a 5m wing and a 6'0 fish (without a foil). I struggled to get going in about 25 knots other than a few short runs in the shallows.
while I struggled, others have got the hang.

I can't post links as I'm a new user but Nathan Van Vueren is doing it on a kite surfboard (with foot straps) - search for this YouTube vid: "Will this become a new sport? WING SURFING WITH A KITE BOARD @ BIG BAY SOUTH AFRICA"

Abel Lago is doing it on a twin tip kiteboard. Search for "Wing Twintip "Wing evolution from wingfoil with a Twintip Kitesurf board"
Difficult but not impossible.

Kamikuza
QLD, 5726 posts
8 Sep 2020 8:08PM
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Kit3kat said..
had a break for about a year from kitesurfing as i was living in the desert for a bit. was gonna get myself a new bar and noted this new concept of wingsurfing.

looks pretty cool for traveling as it is so compact.
im 80kg 184cm and am thinking like a 6 or 7m wingsurf sail with my unidirectional (5 ft 3) kiteboard. is that possible? the board cannot carry my weight at all so id have to waterstart but it doesnt need much power to float once planing. its quite wide. not keen on foiling atm.


Someone's been doing it for almost 20 years...



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