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Flysurfer Soul 10m

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Created by drsurf 4 months ago, 19 Nov 2018
drsurf
NSW, 24 posts
19 Nov 2018 3:05AM
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Disclosure: I sell Flysurfer, Moses, Naish & Konrad products.
After giving the 6m Soul a good workout with the usual 12 knots plus wind here, last Saturday had a a forecast with red arrows all day, less than 10 knots and South Easterly which is usually gutless and no good for wind sports.
I rigged up the 10m Soul, gave it a partial inflate and with a few tugs on the front lines it rose up slowly and fully inflated in about 30 seconds. The wind was very light with little static pull on the bar, but the kite sat easily in the sky with no tendency to overfly or back down.

I had a Moses 590 foil, 91cm mast on a Konrad Versa board which I figured would be a good match for the kite, wind strength and my 65kg weight. The wind was nearly dead onshore with a small shorebreak, but it wasn't hard dragging out as the kite pulled lightly but steadily until I reached deeper water beyond the break. A couple of dives of the kite to get the feel of it and I was up on the board and then onto the foil. I later checked Seabreeze windspeed readings for the day at the nearby measuring point and it averaged 8 knots.

Although the kite didn't feel particularly powerful in such light wind it still got me up and going with ease even without a downloop. Downlooping helped when gybing especially as my foil gybes are a bit crap. I was on the water for over an hour and even in the light patches never lacked the power from the kite to keep foiling. The small SE swell made the tack slightly angled to the shore a lot of fun as the hydrofoil accelerated and the kite just drifted along with minimal pull. The water was relatively smooth compared to the usual bay windchop making for fewer crashes and decent speed when I headed off the wind and felt the Soul take advantage of the apparent wind. Upwind angles were excellent as well considering the wind speed. I didn't get a chance to relaunch the kite as I didn't drop it. I've no reason to believe it wouldn't be just as easy as the 6m Soul but I didn't want to drop it deliberately and tempt fate to shut the wind off completely and give me a soggy swim to shore. When I reached shore I pulled the rear lines to back the kite down by myself, as there was no-one else on the beach, and then just walked along the rear lines until I reached the kite and sanded the tip. Easy enough in light wind but I'd be cautious with this method in stronger wind.

So no surprises really. A good foil kite and foil board extends your time on the water even when the wind is pissweak. Even though there are a few other foilboarders usually at my local beach, I was the only one there and had the beach to myself. They all have inflatable kites however. No doubt with a larger Moses 633 or Nash Large Surf foil I could go a couple of knots lower in wind speed and still have fun. If you can keep your kite in the air you can foil. Being lightweight helps a bit too
Contact me if you'd like to demo any of the gear mentioned above. I'll try and remember to get some pics in future.

Have fun, Dave (Dr Surf)

dafish
NSW, 1336 posts
19 Nov 2018 7:32AM
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Although your kite looks and flies amazing, there were other factors why there was no one there. I have been able to get out in less wind on my 10 Reo and Spitfire xlw wings and I weigh 82 kilos. I am down there by myself a lot. Now that you are getting into foiling you will find more solo sessions as well. Technique plays a huge part in extending your time on the water, the kite is but one equation. I was busy that day doing other things.

drsurf
NSW, 24 posts
5 Apr 2019 1:21AM
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Had the beach to myself early this week. Weak nor-easter measured at 6-8knots on the beach with my wind meter, put up the 10m Soul with Moses 633 foil and had a couple of excellent sessions. Measured the wind when I came in and it was the same 6-8knots.
For my 65kg I had plenty of power to stay up on the foil. Being a seabreeze, although it was light, it was very consistent. With no holes I wasn't coming off the foil or dropping the kite. The amount of extra time you can get on the water with a foil kite and surf hydrofoil and be having a good session, really eats into the time you should be doing other things

Setting up the Soul has been sped up by pre-inflating the kite by orienting the deflation vents into the wind and propping them open with a couple of sticks off the beach. By the time the lines have been unwound the kite is 80% inflated so just close the vents and launch

Tried out the new Flysurfer Peak4 single skin 3m kite as well on the beach. With 6-8 knots I wasn't going to get foiling with such a small kite but its performance was none the less impressive. the kite itself weighs under 600grams and would launch in virtually no wind if you walked backwards. Still in 6-8knots it was fast & powerful for a 3m kite. Keen to try it in 15 knots plus on the 633 and also to use it with my SUP foil. Considering one doesn't have to get pulled up on the board with the kite on a SUP as you're already standing, it will be interesting to see if I can get up on the foil in light winds even just working the kite. Have a Naish Thrust XL if required. Also keen to try the Peak4 downwind foiling as once you're foiling you can depower the kite to virtually nothing and just surf the windchop/swells. Even depowered and running directly at the Peak4 it doesn't collapse nor do you lose steering, it just drifts like nothing I've seen. Being so light it just hangs in the air waiting 'til you need it.

Having fun, Dave

johndg
WA, 94 posts
8 Apr 2019 3:18PM
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Hi Dave,
I was at the beach in Freo yesterday with 15 knots of wind. I was using 10m Neo on tt with some big holes in the wind. There was a person foiling on Peak4 4m kite. he said it goes better than LEI kites foiling in 15 knots also that it was super stable and able to fly in very little wind. I don't foil on a kite but just a beginner at sup foiling and was wondering how it would go with larger foil in low winds? If you try out I would be interested to hear from you.

Also I see that Flysurfer has the Viron3 that is water relaunchable. Have you had any experience with this? What is the difference between the 2?

John

freotilo
WA, 15 posts
8 Apr 2019 7:29PM
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the viron is a teaching only kite for schools and kids , from what we read about the peak the new generation seems nicer to fly , I used the peak 3 in my school and it has amazing power and low end but the flapping was annoying and seems to be a resolved issue with the 4

drsurf
NSW, 24 posts
9 Apr 2019 2:27AM
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johndg said..
Hi Dave,
I was at the beach in Freo yesterday with 15 knots of wind. I was using 10m Neo on tt with some big holes in the wind. There was a person foiling on Peak4 4m kite. he said it goes better than LEI kites foiling in 15 knots also that it was super stable and able to fly in very little wind. I don't foil on a kite but just a beginner at sup foiling and was wondering how it would go with larger foil in low winds? If you try out I would be interested to hear from you.

Also I see that Flysurfer has the Viron3 that is water relaunchable. Have you had any experience with this? What is the difference between the 2?

John



Hi John.
I hear what you're saying and I've just got in a 3m Peak4 to try out for SUP foiling as well as kitefoiling. Haven't had enough wind since it arrived to try it on my kitefoil and haven't got around to trying it on my SUP foil yet, but that's coming up next as soon as conditions allow.
However I have flown it on the beach and it certainly is an amazing kite. You only need 2-3knots of wind and it's flying easily. The 3m Peak4 I have weighs less than 600grams! So that's part of the reason it flys in so little wind. However the next great thing about the Peak4 is the drift... so much drift. If you have 6-8 knots of wind you can run hard at the kite and it just drifts back. No collapsing, no falling from the sky, you can still turn and control the kite even with minimal line tension.

When you flog the kite around the sky looping & figure eights with the bar pulled in, it's really powerful for its size, but when you sheet out you can cut the power to virtually nothing, it just goes into drift mode.

I figure that being on a SUP I don't need the kite to drag me up onto the board as I'm already standing. So I'm just using the kite as a lazy mans paddle to get me up on the foil for downwinders or small surf. Then just drift the kite when I don't need it.

As far water relaunching, its original design premise was for land & snow. However if you take a look at this thread on the Peak4 kiteforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=197&t=2401224 you'll see a lot of early users have been kitefoiling and waterstarting the Peak4 kites quite easily. So I agree with freotilo, forget the Viron, as it's not a patch on the Peak4. You actually have to steer the Peak4 into the water deliberately, unless the wind completely disappears, to get it wet. Even in a worst case scenario and you couldn't get the kite back out of the water, just wind it up, jam it down the back of your harness and paddle back to shore. Being single skin it won't turn into a heavy bag of water and it's really compact when packed up.

As you can see I'm excited about the Peak4 potential, and I'm not the only one judging by other users and the person you met on the beach. I've been selling a few and the feedback has been very good. They are a big improvement on the Peak3. Let me know if I can help you further and I'll certainly post my Peak4 experiences.

Looking forward to more fun, but already missing summer, Dave

johndg
WA, 94 posts
10 Apr 2019 1:01PM
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Thanks for your quick reply Dave.

The person I met on the beach was certainly very happy with the kite and from the looks was comfortable using it. He also downwind wakeboarded it when I was packing up. He told me it was a much better kite than the previous model

Good to know this is a better kite than the Viron. I was curious about the differences and think that I may only have looked at the info on the Peak3 which may not have included water as a recommended use.

Very interested in your SUP foil experiences with it and will consider for next year. What are the AUD prices?

John

BrisKites
QLD, 1229 posts
Friday , 12 Apr 2019 8:01PM
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johndg said..

Good to know this is a better kite than the Viron. I was curious about the differences and think that I may only have looked at the info on the Peak3 which may not have included water as a recommended use.



In no way is the Peak a better kite than the Viron, they are just VERY different. The Peak is quite powerful for it's size where the Viron offers massive de-power for each size. Both kites are slower than you would expect and neither offer outstanding upwind performance.

For ultimate low end power the Peak is the pick but remember there is no guarantee of water re-launch. If you were looking for an amazing kite in knarly conditions the Viron is one of the most forgiving kites you will ever fly.

SaveTheWhales
WA, 1625 posts
Monday , 15 Apr 2019 4:43PM
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