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Created by wheels > 9 months ago, 20 Sep 2018
wheels
WA, 194 posts
20 Sep 2018 8:21PM
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Just wanted hear what the best bar and line are that you have ever owned and why, I am looking to buy new set and there seems to be so many different features on all the brands out there. I usually have just one bar for all my kites and I am mainly into waves, I have always had ozone in the past but there are two or three things I am not happy with on their bars so would be great to hear opinions on other brands, considering new bar and lines are now between $600 to $1000 I don't want to end up with the wrong one.
I am looking for 4 line equal length and comfy grip that lasts
Thanks

cauncy
WA, 7627 posts
20 Sep 2018 8:59PM
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Simple
ozone, why wouldn't you be happy, simple clean quality set up, I've had plenty of others and plenty fell apart, passed my set from instinct sport to a local and still going strong, now using latest model

wheels
WA, 194 posts
21 Sep 2018 8:38AM
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Well I didn't want to go there but because you asked
The main thing is the little stainless ring that the safety clips to is known to fail when the you release the chicken loop, there is that very thin bit where the swivel attaches to the ring that snaps and then you lose the whole kite this happened to me once in Gero and kite just blew away I got it back but with damage, I also saw this happen to guy on the bommie at Exmouth he was 500m off shore got smashed on a wave released his kite and that little ring snapped and his kite blew away.
I have also heard of other cases were this has happened
From what I can see on picture of the new ozone bars they still have this same little ring, I was about to order a new ozone bar but when I noticed they had not changed it I thought not gunna risk that experience again .
I have also found on my ozone bars that the grip seems to come off in pieces due to many different pieces making up the logo on the grip,(looks like they may have improved the grip on the newer models) and yes the swollen up rusty magnets and last of all its a nightmare to change out lines.

beefarmer
WA, 261 posts
21 Sep 2018 9:38AM
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Best bar i ever had was designed in gero new kiteboarding bar. It wouldnt cut the mustard now as theyer 13yrs old and features have improved but they lasted forever. I still have a few going strong. As spares.

I too have ozone bars and had the little ring thing snap. Easy to replace and ive switched it out with a standard ssteel ring (pinched off a NEW bar ha ha) but im slightly uncomfortable with what the implications of not having a swivel there are... figure it dont matter if i dont do too many backrolls.

The magnet failure is fkn annoying too.

eppo
WA, 7365 posts
21 Sep 2018 10:36AM
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North click bar with ozone lines would be the perfect bar.

snalberski
WA, 665 posts
21 Sep 2018 1:56PM
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I've invested in and investigated quite a few different bars and the Ozone for me is the best. Lots and lots of bars including Switch ,Ikon, OR,Cabrinah etc etc are utelising a generic 'white ticket' chicken loop assembly which I believe has design problems with the saftey line path through the rotor head. This can result in punchout problems.
Conversely the Ozone chicken loop head has a dedicated channel and snagging of the safety line is virtually impossible. Additionally Ozone is the only bar I have found that has an appropriately large enough hole through the bar to discourage binding of the bar to the pu covering on the main chicken loop line.... all the others I've tried bound when cracking hard/looping.
The above relates to upto 2018 models... for 2019 Ozone have a new design which I have not tried, but is similar to North/Slingshot etc design

cauncy
WA, 7627 posts
21 Sep 2018 2:08PM
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eppo said..
North click bar with ozone lines would be the perfect bar.


Few lads I know have had jamming issues, I liked the look of the ocean rodeo version, made the North one look very plastic in comparison ,

EastCC
QLD, 305 posts
21 Sep 2018 6:42PM
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eppo said..
North click bar with ozone lines would be the perfect bar.





Few lads I know have had jamming issues, I liked the look of the ocean rodeo version, made the North one look very plastic in comparison ,




I'm Ocean Rodeo affiliated but I'm sure everyone knows that by now.
Snalberski - the new OR Pilot and Shift bars have gone to a different QR this generation, easily reset, and larger 12mm PU round tube housing the main and safety lines in separate individual channels,
The bar doesn't jam on the PU for me on the Pilot bar, I haven't used the new Shift Bar yet, only got them yesterday, but they have redesigned the opening to suit the new PU so this should be a non issue.
The rear line trim bars are very nice once you get used to them, but are more exy so not for all.

Stopper works a treat.





eppo
WA, 7365 posts
21 Sep 2018 5:09PM
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cauncy said..






eppo said..
North click bar with ozone lines would be the perfect bar.








Few lads I know have had jamming issues, I liked the look of the ocean rodeo version, made the North one look very plastic in comparison ,







I'm Ocean Rodeo affiliated but I'm sure everyone knows that by now.
Snalberski - the new OR Pilot and Shift bars have gone to a different QR this generation, easily reset, and larger 12mm PU round tube housing the main and safety lines in separate individual channels,
The bar doesn't jam on the PU for me on the Pilot bar, I haven't used the new Shift Bar yet, only got them yesterday, but they have redesigned the opening to suit the new PU so this should be a non issue.
The rear line trim bars are very nice once you get used to them, but are more exy so not for all.

Stopper works a treat.









Looks good...what type of lines do you guys use? Ozone type ones.

Can you run it as a high Y (can you change the Y height)..ie is it universal ?.

damn I've got well used ozone bars from 2012 still going strong!....lines still good. (For my sons older catalysts)

North lines suck major wang, (notice I refuse to use that other fcked name).

ozone bars no stopper, so no good for me.

EastCC
QLD, 305 posts
21 Sep 2018 8:13PM
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Looks good...what type of lines do you guys use? Ozone type ones.

Can you run it as a high Y (can you change the Y height)..ie is it universal ?.

damn I've got well used ozone bars from 2012 still going strong!....lines still good. (For my sons older catalysts)

North lines suck major wang, (notice I refuse to use that other fcked name).

ozone bars no stopper, so no good for me.


no high y, split at the trim roller on the Pilot, at the top of the PU (rotobit) on the Shift bar. So no Duotone Rebel joy - sorry Eppo.
I guess you could rig something up quite easily though if you wanted.

Lines are different to Ozone:

Pilot Bar:
Teufelberger flying lines FL-14 lines
Front lines (Blue w/ Red Tracer) 405 kgf
Back Lines - FL-10 (Orange w/ Black Tracer)
335 kgf
Lines are 19 m with 3 m extensions

Shift Bar:
German made Liros DC 401 Ultra HD flying lines, tested to 580 kg (1275 lbs). Lower sections of front lines are Liros D-Pro


Think the new Ozone lines are SK99 dyneema? Not 100%


www.teufelberger.com/pub/media/contentmanager/content/downloads/15-08-13_TEUFELBERGER-Kitelines-2015-2016_web.pdf

eppo
WA, 7365 posts
21 Sep 2018 7:48PM
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Ta mate

Adam'KiteRepair
NSW, 311 posts
21 Sep 2018 11:26PM
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Definetly find the ozone bars very high quality. Id love to see them have an internal saftey line though, but cant have everything right. The new lines are shaping up to be unbelievable too. I personelly havnt seen the swivel flagout ring fail but honestly, if its that big of an issue new none swivel ones cost 15.00. I did find that the older grip sometimes came unglued but so do other brands and so far my new style grip is ace. I was told that the new magnets were meant to be coated in rubber too but i didnt hear that from the horses mouth. I found my last bars magnets rusted a bit but was cosmetic only.

dafish
NSW, 1399 posts
22 Sep 2018 6:59AM
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Adam'KiteRepair said..
Definetly find the ozone bars very high quality. Id love to see them have an internal saftey line though, but cant have everything right. The new lines are shaping up to be unbelievable too. I personelly havnt seen the swivel flagout ring fail but honestly, if its that big of an issue new none swivel ones cost 15.00. I did find that the older grip sometimes came unglued but so do other brands and so far my new style grip is ace. I was told that the new magnets were meant to be coated in rubber too but i didnt hear that from the horses mouth. I found my last bars magnets rusted a bit but was cosmetic only.


I had one ring give out after two seasons, but it didn't fail me because I noticed the corrosion and I gave it a good twist and it snapped. Backup bar sorted it out until a new ring arrived. Ozone lines have always been great, but 2018 they stepped it up again. Saying that, that Ocean Rodeo bar (bws as well) looks really fantastic. For someone like me with short arms reaching for the trim when way over powered is hard. Having it on the bar and adjusting from there is such a great idea so long as they don't jam. I wonder what the wear rate is on the new system is compared to a trim line?

EastCC
QLD, 305 posts
22 Sep 2018 7:56AM
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Adam'KiteRepair said..
Definetly find the ozone bars very high quality. Id love to see them have an internal saftey line though, but cant have everything right. The new lines are shaping up to be unbelievable too. I personelly havnt seen the swivel flagout ring fail but honestly, if its that big of an issue new none swivel ones cost 15.00. I did find that the older grip sometimes came unglued but so do other brands and so far my new style grip is ace. I was told that the new magnets were meant to be coated in rubber too but i didnt hear that from the horses mouth. I found my last bars magnets rusted a bit but was cosmetic only.







I had one ring give out after two seasons, but it didn't fail me because I noticed the corrosion and I gave it a good twist and it snapped. Backup bar sorted it out until a new ring arrived. Ozone lines have always been great, but 2018 they stepped it up again. Saying that, that Ocean Rodeo bar (bws as well) looks really fantastic. For someone like me with short arms reaching for the trim when way over powered is hard. Having it on the bar and adjusting from there is such a great idea so long as they don't jam. I wonder what the wear rate is on the new system is compared to a trim line?






Haven't had any issues with wear on the rear line leaders that slide through the bar. There's no teeth or anything that grips the line, no gears, simple design. The smooth bends and the composite material of the bar don't seem to wear the lines, and you can easily see those lines and the winder mechanism without removing anything to check for wear.

Havent had any jamming. If the winder does fail it will spool out to full depower, which is annoying but safest outcome.

both the leader lines and the winder mech are super easy to replace.

wheels sorry for the hijack.

for me if it has a stainless swivel somewhere on the fronts I won't get it, had them break, snag and they end up being a non swivel eventually. Also like soft bar ends, btb swivel.

gdownie
NSW, 114 posts
24 Sep 2018 1:09PM
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Best line,hands down "Q -line pro

littlewing
QLD, 106 posts
24 Sep 2018 1:32PM
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had a few over the years including core, naish and ozone and favorite would have to be slingshot for me. Grip was a little harsh but other than that lines actually felt thicker - always seemed easier to unroll, i liked the steering line loops, easy depower system. Definitely my favorite so far and they were 2012 currently on newer naish bar and lines

wheels
WA, 194 posts
24 Sep 2018 7:56PM
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dafish said..






Adam'KiteRepair said..
Definetly find the ozone bars very high quality. Id love to see them have an internal saftey line though, but cant have everything right. The new lines are shaping up to be unbelievable too. I personelly havnt seen the swivel flagout ring fail but honestly, if its that big of an issue new none swivel ones cost 15.00. I did find that the older grip sometimes came unglued but so do other brands and so far my new style grip is ace. I was told that the new magnets were meant to be coated in rubber too but i didnt hear that from the horses mouth. I found my last bars magnets rusted a bit but was cosmetic only.








I had one ring give out after two seasons, but it didn't fail me because I noticed the corrosion and I gave it a good twist and it snapped. Backup bar sorted it out until a new ring arrived. Ozone lines have always been great, but 2018 they stepped it up again. Saying that, that Ocean Rodeo bar (bws as well) looks really fantastic. For someone like me with short arms reaching for the trim when way over powered is hard. Having it on the bar and adjusting from there is such a great idea so long as they don't jam. I wonder what the wear rate is on the new system is compared to a trim line?







Haven't had any issues with wear on the rear line leaders that slide through the bar. There's no teeth or anything that grips the line, no gears, simple design. The smooth bends and the composite material of the bar don't seem to wear the lines, and you can easily see those lines and the winder mechanism without removing anything to check for wear.

Havent had any jamming. If the winder does fail it will spool out to full depower, which is annoying but safest outcome.

both the leader lines and the winder mech are super easy to replace.

wheels sorry for the hijack.

for me if it has a stainless swivel somewhere on the fronts I won't get it, had them break, snag and they end up being a non swivel eventually. Also like soft bar ends, btb swivel.


Hi EastCC
I was wondering what type of grip is on the latest Ocean Rodeo bar as I tried a friends Ocean rodeo a couple of years ago and kite flew well but I was only on it for 20mins and noticed my hands were a bit sore after using it, from memory it was a rubbery grip, I thought it may have been designed for those cold extreme Canadian conditions where everyone wears gloves. I am tradie so my hands usually fairly tough and thought that the Ocean rodeo might shred my hands on a three hour wave session especially when I on a kite trip and kiting everyday for hours. Cond you post close up picture of the grip?
Thanks

Ozone Kites Aus
NSW, 814 posts
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25 Sep 2018 7:31AM
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snalberski said..
I've invested in and investigated quite a few different bars and the Ozone for me is the best. Lots and lots of bars including Switch ,Ikon, OR,Cabrinah etc etc are utelising a generic 'white ticket' chicken loop assembly which I believe has design problems with the saftey line path through the rotor head. This can result in punchout problems.
Conversely the Ozone chicken loop head has a dedicated channel and snagging of the safety line is virtually impossible. Additionally Ozone is the only bar I have found that has an appropriately large enough hole through the bar to discourage binding of the bar to the pu covering on the main chicken loop line.... all the others I've tried bound when cracking hard/looping.
The above relates to upto 2018 models... for 2019 Ozone have a new design which I have not tried, but is similar to North/Slingshot etc design


The 2018 V4 bar is using the same bar design as the 2016/17, with the same thickness black PU centre line and same nole through the bar design/shape, so definitely no binding on tight turns/loops.
Ozone have chosen not to put the flag out line through the centre line, after a couple of years of testing various designs they were no happy with the increased thickness of the centre line and the complexity and issue with trying to make the flag out line work without the possibility of jamming. I'm really glad they stuck with the external flag out line.
Yjer swivel on the end of the flag out line has been beefed up, this is a part that wears and requires maintenance though, same with the flag out line (every V4 bar now somes with a spare flag out line).
In my experience, the Ozone bar is one of the most reliable and comfortable bars to use. All parts for all versions are still available too.

EastCC
QLD, 305 posts
25 Sep 2018 7:33AM
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Wheels -
Shift bar: Molded EVA feels more cushioned than the pilot bar, but the bar is larger diameter with the bend, only in 52cm






Pilot Bar pretty standard round bar with finger dents. EVA feels more "foamy" but less cushioned than the Shift if that makes sense. Straight bar.
52 or 46





Cheers

Youngbreezy
WA, 591 posts
25 Sep 2018 9:09AM
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For me the ideal bar would be a compact qr with a clasp for rope slider instead of a chicken loop

below the bar depower, and below the bar trim ( because I don't use the trim much but it's still nice to have it there). This would leave it as clean as possible above the bar.

Extra long bar throw ( which could be adjusted with a stopper if needed)

front lines with different colours and a low y which is within reaching distance to assist with relaunch ( opposite front line relaunch)

wheels
WA, 194 posts
25 Sep 2018 8:48PM
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EastCC said..
Wheels -
Shift bar: Molded EVA feels more cushioned than the pilot bar, but the bar is larger diameter with the bend, only in 52cm






Pilot Bar pretty standard round bar with finger dents. EVA feels more "foamy" but less cushioned than the Shift if that makes sense. Straight bar.
52 or 46





Cheers


Hi EastCC
What do these two bar cost including lines and do you have them both in stock?
Thanks Wheels

cauncy
WA, 7627 posts
25 Sep 2018 9:24PM
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Wheels -
Shift bar: Molded EVA feels more cushioned than the pilot bar, but the bar is larger diameter with the bend, only in 52cm






Pilot Bar pretty standard round bar with finger dents. EVA feels more "foamy" but less cushioned than the Shift if that makes sense. Straight bar.
52 or 46





Cheers


I've seen the shift bar up close
tbh it looks a very refined bit of kit compared to north's one,
having it as an open mechanism I'd say it'll flush easier so jamming of components would be minimalist, if you added a click safety system like ozones new safety you'd be hard pressed to improve it,

EastCC
QLD, 305 posts
26 Sep 2018 5:44AM
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wheels said..



EastCC said..
Wheels -
Shift bar: Molded EVA feels more cushioned than the pilot bar, but the bar is larger diameter with the bend, only in 52cm






Pilot Bar pretty standard round bar with finger dents. EVA feels more "foamy" but less cushioned than the Shift if that makes sense. Straight bar.
52 or 46





Cheers





Hi EastCC
What do these two bar cost including lines and do you have them both in stock?
Thanks Wheels




Shift $929
Pilot $699
in stock.

Bonny from KSS in Perth will have a demo Shift bar soon, he has the Pilot bar over there already.
I'll be coming over to WA sometime in November to hold some demo's as well.

cauncy
WA, 7627 posts
26 Sep 2018 6:19AM
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wheels said..




EastCC said..
Wheels -
Shift bar: Molded EVA feels more cushioned than the pilot bar, but the bar is larger diameter with the bend, only in 52cm






Pilot Bar pretty standard round bar with finger dents. EVA feels more "foamy" but less cushioned than the Shift if that makes sense. Straight bar.
52 or 46





Cheers






Hi EastCC
What do these two bar cost including lines and do you have them both in stock?
Thanks Wheels





Shift $929
Pilot $699
in stock.

Bonny from KSS in Perth will have a demo Shift bar soon, he has the Pilot bar over there already.
I'll be coming over to WA sometime in November to hold some demo's as well.


Around the 23/24/25
would be a good time


Puetz
NT, 2144 posts
26 Sep 2018 1:56PM
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eppo said..
North click bar with ozone lines would be the perfect bar.


... I agree!

mazdon
963 posts
26 Sep 2018 1:50PM
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wheels said..
Just wanted hear what the best bar and line are that you have ever owned and why...


whichever i am out on the water with, at any given time...

is that a greeeeeeeeeen arrow i spy

Stevie ss
WA, 15 posts
26 Sep 2018 7:29PM
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wheels said..
Just wanted hear what the best bar and line are that you have ever owned and why, I am looking to buy new set and there seems to be so many different features on all the brands out there. I usually have just one bar for all my kites and I am mainly into waves, I have always had ozone in the past but there are two or three things I am not happy with on their bars so would be great to hear opinions on other brands, considering new bar and lines are now between $600 to $1000 I don't want to end up with the wrong one.
I am looking for 4 line equal length and comfy grip that lasts
Thanks


I've tried just about every bar .just got rid of the two most expensive. i have switches new bar ,i sent the kite back but kept the bar it's comfortable easy and clean .other wise I'd go airrush
bar

cauncy
WA, 7627 posts
26 Sep 2018 8:16PM
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wheels said..
Just wanted hear what the best bar and line are that you have ever owned and why, I am looking to buy new set and there seems to be so many different features on all the brands out there. I usually have just one bar for all my kites and I am mainly into waves, I have always had ozone in the past but there are two or three things I am not happy with on their bars so would be great to hear opinions on other brands, considering new bar and lines are now between $600 to $1000 I don't want to end up with the wrong one.
I am looking for 4 line equal length and comfy grip that lasts
Thanks



I've tried just about every bar .just got rid of the two most expensive. i have switches new bar ,i sent the kite back but kept the bar it's comfortable easy and clean .other wise I'd go airrush
bar


Don't airush have all that dangly **** on the power depower ,

IanR
NSW, 901 posts
27 Sep 2018 1:34AM
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Don't airush have all that dangly **** on the power depower ,




Poisonous Allotrope of Oxegen Pimp talking out of their rectums as usual

It would be hard to find a cleaner bar than the Ultra Bar
airush.com/kites/ultra-bar/
Or the Core cleat bar
airush.com/kites/core-cleat-bar/

There are also option to have different line length, option you will not get on a contact bar

cauncy
WA, 7627 posts
27 Sep 2018 6:22AM
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IanR said..



cauncy said..

Don't airush have all that dangly **** on the power depower ,







Poisonous Allotrope of Oxegen Pimp talking out of their rectums as usual

It would be hard to find a cleaner bar than the Ultra Bar
airush.com/kites/ultra-bar/
Or the Core cleat bar
airush.com/kites/core-cleat-bar/

There are also option to have different line length, option you will not get on a contact bar




Bit harsh there but good to see they've got in tune with most other brands at last, bit weird why you'd have some many variants of a bar though, why not just one does all

Fly on da wall
VIC, 698 posts
27 Sep 2018 9:19AM
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I like the Slingshot bar

2015 has great grip and is built to last a long kitetime



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