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Created by Gboots > 9 months ago, 13 Jun 2020
Gboots
NSW, 1314 posts
1 Jul 2020 4:12PM
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First one installed on my Slab which i plan to use down south ....in waters that do make me a tad nervous . Used detergent / water mix to apply which made it super easy . Hopefully it stays stuck . Will test before applying to next board









Piros
QLD, 6879 posts
1 Jul 2020 7:23PM
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I put them on everything, the way they work is a shark won't attack head on and attack from
behind . The eyes push them away . I've paddled over sharks with the eyes on and they move away . For me small investment for a bit more piece of mind . I surf in the worst places river mouths , early and late afternoon. I'm constantly testing new gear and sometimes ride without them and definitely feel better when I have them on .


Seajuice
NSW, 907 posts
2 Jul 2020 12:31PM
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Wrong place, wrong time, wrong shark for me. Last attack in the ocean not far from where I was bitten was 1951. Was a spearfisherman.
In our lake near Windang bridge was 12 January 2009. Was a snorkeller.
Mine was 17 January 2020. On my shortboard. Sitting.
And still there are numerous people in the water with no attacks weather or not with shark deterrants.
But if history shows zero attacks with a type of shark deterrant then why not use one if it concerns you.
I suppose if I was to use a shortboard in the water where I got attacked I would probably use a deterrant from now on especially with hands & feet in the water.
But for now I'm staying on my SUP or SUP foilboard.

jbshack
WA, 6913 posts
2 Jul 2020 10:45AM
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Thought to throw in the 2bobs worth. I surf NNSW waters and have been a serial dawn patroller. I've only ever used shark shield because it's functionality is based around science and it's the only product to offer itself up to independent university based scientific testing;
www.swellnet.com/news/talking-heads/2018/12/10/shock-and-flaw-dr-charlie-huveneers-shark-repellents-and-other
Used to have some videos on their web page as well, Ocean Gaurdian now. WA govt even subsidises their surfers to purchase them because the companies done the science hard yards in this regard.
If your serious about shark mitigation then look behind the snake oil claims before splashing the hard earned, make these companies accountable for predating on our fears for a dollar. Science can and should be put into the R & D of these products to ensure their efficacy.

We've just had the mullet run and are midst bait fish schooling atm (where the Kingscliff surfer recently got taken) and the whales are starting to migrate pass with their deadly entourage and I'm not fkg around with the snake oil crew for my safety.
I've no affiliation at all, just a surfer and occasional spearo who did a bit of homework and enjoys the piece of mind. Having said that I don't use it all the time either and it's not on my sup.


Just to clarify your claims about research and testing of deterrents. Yes your partly correct BUT may not be aware the claims you've made are flawed and inaccurate.

Your comment about Shark shield being the only independent tested product is wrong because Shark shield payed for the actual testing you just quoted. Now this is where it gets stupid, the government is refusing to promote any product that is tested when that testing is paid for by the company, so how is that a fair and true playing field? Before you jump and and claim im wrong, SS have claimed on many occasions they paid Charlie for the testing, it's even in the official paper. So your claim is sadly, just companies and governments playing politics at best.

backbeach
NSW, 102 posts
2 Jul 2020 3:42PM
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backbeach said..
Thought to throw in the 2bobs worth. I surf NNSW waters and have been a serial dawn patroller. I've only ever used shark shield because it's functionality is based around science and it's the only product to offer itself up to independent university based scientific testing;
www.swellnet.com/news/talking-heads/2018/12/10/shock-and-flaw-dr-charlie-huveneers-shark-repellents-and-other
Used to have some videos on their web page as well, Ocean Gaurdian now. WA govt even subsidises their surfers to purchase them because the companies done the science hard yards in this regard.
If your serious about shark mitigation then look behind the snake oil claims before splashing the hard earned, make these companies accountable for predating on our fears for a dollar. Science can and should be put into the R & D of these products to ensure their efficacy.

We've just had the mullet run and are midst bait fish schooling atm (where the Kingscliff surfer recently got taken) and the whales are starting to migrate pass with their deadly entourage and I'm not fkg around with the snake oil crew for my safety.
I've no affiliation at all, just a surfer and occasional spearo who did a bit of homework and enjoys the piece of mind. Having said that I don't use it all the time either and it's not on my sup.



Just to clarify your claims about research and testing of deterrents. Yes your partly correct BUT may not be aware the claims you've made are flawed and inaccurate.

Your comment about Shark shield being the only independent tested product is wrong because Shark shield payed for the actual testing you just quoted. Now this is where it gets stupid, the government is refusing to promote any product that is tested when that testing is paid for by the company, so how is that a fair and true playing field? Before you jump and and claim im wrong, SS have claimed on many occasions they paid Charlie for the testing, it's even in the official paper. So your claim is sadly, just companies and governments playing politics at best.


Hey jbshack. Fully aware about your mentioned SS paying up and open declarations by all parties, it's an accepted and common practice in research and you will find every research paper you read, no matter what field of science, medicine or technology allows for these sort of declarations. It's how R & D get financed a lot.
It is a true and fair playing field because of how research papers are structured where the data, methods and a whole lot of other technical info is declared and then the whole shebang is thrown open to peer review and there can be a whole lot of chest beating from collegial peers to rival companies. So jbs you haven't stumbled upon a grand conspiracy but your citing standard practice and the food we eat, cars we drive, pills we take, even the schools we send our kids to- R & D by academics is everywhere. I work in health and R & D plays a big part.
Anyways champ you believe what you want to believe but have a look at how Research rolls before writing it off. BTW NSW govt was looking at SS technology on the macro/seawall scale as part of their response to mitigating the recent shark attacks.

lam
VIC, 251 posts
2 Jul 2020 3:43PM
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I don't know why a shark would be put off by a pair of human eyes as they are something they would be totally unfamiliar with and why they would even register they were eyes at all. However if there was a natural predator To sharks, the eyes of that predator might do the job. It's just someone trying to make a quid. If you have the spare dollars and it makes you feel better, go for it.

jbshack
WA, 6913 posts
2 Jul 2020 4:09PM
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jbshack said..


backbeach said..
Thought to throw in the 2bobs worth. I surf NNSW waters and have been a serial dawn patroller. I've only ever used shark shield because it's functionality is based around science and it's the only product to offer itself up to independent university based scientific testing;
www.swellnet.com/news/talking-heads/2018/12/10/shock-and-flaw-dr-charlie-huveneers-shark-repellents-and-other
Used to have some videos on their web page as well, Ocean Gaurdian now. WA govt even subsidises their surfers to purchase them because the companies done the science hard yards in this regard.
If your serious about shark mitigation then look behind the snake oil claims before splashing the hard earned, make these companies accountable for predating on our fears for a dollar. Science can and should be put into the R & D of these products to ensure their efficacy.

We've just had the mullet run and are midst bait fish schooling atm (where the Kingscliff surfer recently got taken) and the whales are starting to migrate pass with their deadly entourage and I'm not fkg around with the snake oil crew for my safety.
I've no affiliation at all, just a surfer and occasional spearo who did a bit of homework and enjoys the piece of mind. Having said that I don't use it all the time either and it's not on my sup.




Just to clarify your claims about research and testing of deterrents. Yes your partly correct BUT may not be aware the claims you've made are flawed and inaccurate.

Your comment about Shark shield being the only independent tested product is wrong because Shark shield payed for the actual testing you just quoted. Now this is where it gets stupid, the government is refusing to promote any product that is tested when that testing is paid for by the company, so how is that a fair and true playing field? Before you jump and and claim im wrong, SS have claimed on many occasions they paid Charlie for the testing, it's even in the official paper. So your claim is sadly, just companies and governments playing politics at best.



Hey jbshack. Fully aware about your mentioned SS paying up and open declarations by all parties, it's an accepted and common practice in research and you will find every research paper you read, no matter what field of science, medicine or technology allows for these sort of declarations. It's how R & D get financed a lot.
It is a true and fair playing field because of how research papers are structured where the data, methods and a whole lot of other technical info is declared and then the whole shebang is thrown open to peer review and there can be a whole lot of chest beating from collegial peers to rival companies. So jbs you haven't stumbled upon a grand conspiracy but your citing standard practice and the food we eat, cars we drive, pills we take, even the schools we send our kids to- R & D by academics is everywhere. I work in health and R & D plays a big part.
Anyways champ you believe what you want to believe but have a look at how Research rolls before writing it off. BTW NSW govt was looking at SS technology on the macro/seawall scale as part of their response to mitigating the recent shark attacks.


Well actually if you did the research you'd also be aware that other products with testing, have been completed and the state declared because they not tested independently (IE not paid for by the company) they have said they won't accept the findings.

Also you may be interested in the way the tests are conducted, for example ill share a copy of the diagram of how the SS freedom 7 dive unit was tested. You may notice the power unit (attached to the divers ankle for actual operation) was in the research paper, the power unit was attached to what would be considered the back of your head.. ;)

backbeach
NSW, 102 posts
2 Jul 2020 10:00PM
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Not quite understanding your standpoint or endgame here jbshack. I think this is the paper you cite and yes it's a good thing that you can source it and question it, thats one of Research's strengths;
journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0157717 (if not look at the 50 plus references).
I'm trying to explain the efficacy of research and the abstract states the same point, as well as a declaration of the researchers affiliations, its all there no reds under the bed;

"Sharks play a vital role in the health of marine ecosystems, but the potential threat that sharks pose to humans is a reminder of our vulnerability when entering the ocean. Personal shark deterrents are being marketed as the solution to mitigate the threat that sharks pose. However, the effectiveness claims of many personal deterrents are based on our knowledge of shark sensory biology rather than robust testing of the devices themselves, as most have not been subjected to independent scientific studies. Therefore, there is a clear need for thorough testing of commercially available shark deterrents to provide the public with recommendations of their effectiveness. "

Bottom line WA govt was/is subsidising SS is that because of its diligence and research and accountabilities?
Don't know that shark eyes or shark banz etc will ever go there and any of us consumers will be able to review non existent research data.

I've had my SS surf unit for over 10 years and can remember watching footage of Ron and Val Taylor (Aussie spearo legends) initially testing it in Sth Africa where it originated decades ago. It has been a long time in its development. You're absolutely entitled to your opinion and I think in a way we're in mad agreeance as well as challenging waters. if you've looked to the research and decided its not for you well and good at least its there and accountable. Stay safe

Seajuice
NSW, 907 posts
3 Jul 2020 11:01AM
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Guys. If you've got a girlfriend or wife like mine that has an angry stare. Take her surfing with you. Guaranteed to scare anything off!

Souwester
WA, 1255 posts
3 Jul 2020 9:31AM
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Guys. If you've got a girlfriend or wife like mine that has an angry stare. Take her surfing with you. Guaranteed to scare anything off!


Forget the Wife/GF's angry stare - there is a far more generic option that could take off - the 'Resting Bitch Face' sticker, which men and women are both capable of and is usually visible on strangers faces while waiting for their coffee or in a Q at a busy bar

finsup
NT, 185 posts
3 Jul 2020 11:33AM
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This works heaps better...


bigmc
NSW, 241 posts
4 Jul 2020 4:25PM
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Should have the eyes on his foil.
Michel Bourez was foiling between the islands of Tahiti and Mo'orea when a hammerhead shark bit his foil and then came back for a second bite. Story on Swellnet and CW. Would have been a bit scary. Would be good if it was possible for a controlled experiment. Just not that easy when dealing with wild creatures in a massive ocean and surfcraft thrown in the mix as well.

Nozza
VIC, 2835 posts
4 Jul 2020 8:12PM
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bigmc said..
Should have the eyes on his foil.
Michel Bourez was foiling between the islands of Tahiti and Mo'orea when a hammerhead shark bit his foil and then came back for a second bite. Story on Swellnet and CW. Would have been a bit scary. Would be good if it was possible for a controlled experiment. Just not that easy when dealing with wild creatures in a massive ocean and surfcraft thrown in the mix as well.



I didn't think hammerheads were aggressive.
When we were doing the whale shark swim thing last year, the divemaster bloke pointed out a hammerhead basking near the surface.
He said they have so many sensors in the hammer, they are perpetually scared of everything around them.
They have a very small mouth relative to the size of the fish.

LastSupper
VIC, 360 posts
4 Jul 2020 8:56PM
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Nozza said..

bigmc said..
Should have the eyes on his foil.
Michel Bourez was foiling between the islands of Tahiti and Mo'orea when a hammerhead shark bit his foil and then came back for a second bite. Story on Swellnet and CW. Would have been a bit scary. Would be good if it was possible for a controlled experiment. Just not that easy when dealing with wild creatures in a massive ocean and surfcraft thrown in the mix as well.




I didn't think hammerheads were aggressive.
When we were doing the whale shark swim thing last year, the divemaster bloke pointed out a hammerhead basking near the surface.
He said they have so many sensors in the hammer, they are perpetually scared of everything around them.
They have a very small mouth relative to the size of the fish.


Not sure about that Noz ??i think the report said 12 to 14 feet mayb not a man eater but enough to clench the cheeks ??

colas
4986 posts
5 Jul 2020 11:06AM
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I wonder if the foil was creating some electromagnetic disturbances that triggered the curiosity of the shark...

Carbon is conductive to electricity, and a foil wing would make a good antenna with its wide span. The head of the hammerhead for instance is thought to act as a big antenna to help the shark detect preys with changes in the electromagnetic field with its ampullae of Lorenzini.

goggo
NSW, 355 posts
5 Jul 2020 6:30PM
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Nine species of hammerhead, great hammerhead grows uoto 20 ft.
www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/fish/group/hammerhead-sharks/
Trust your spider senses, if you feel spooked get out of the water.
My best shark experience was diving 'blue corner ' in Palau watching a hundred or so grey reef sharks linning up to get a clean on the edge of a sea cliff with a 4 knot current flowibg over the top. Needed to be anchored to reef to stay in place.
I have seen thousands of sharks in my lifetime and only been threatened a dozen times, mostly spear fishing.
If you don't like the chances of meeting a shark stay out of tge ocean.

goggo
NSW, 355 posts
5 Jul 2020 6:38PM
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One further point if you a reading this and run a cage diving shark experience, attracting sharks with burley, I hope you have a slow and painful dea....

bigmc
NSW, 241 posts
5 Jul 2020 7:14PM
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I think I read somewhere that they prey on rays. Maybe the foil at speed could imitate a sting/manta ray???

jbshack
WA, 6913 posts
6 Jul 2020 4:38PM
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Not quite understanding your standpoint or endgame here jbshack. I think this is the paper you cite and yes it's a good thing that you can source it and question it, thats one of Research's strengths;
journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0157717 (if not look at the 50 plus references).
I'm trying to explain the efficacy of research and the abstract states the same point, as well as a declaration of the researchers affiliations, its all there no reds under the bed;

"Sharks play a vital role in the health of marine ecosystems, but the potential threat that sharks pose to humans is a reminder of our vulnerability when entering the ocean. Personal shark deterrents are being marketed as the solution to mitigate the threat that sharks pose. However, the effectiveness claims of many personal deterrents are based on our knowledge of shark sensory biology rather than robust testing of the devices themselves, as most have not been subjected to independent scientific studies. Therefore, there is a clear need for thorough testing of commercially available shark deterrents to provide the public with recommendations of their effectiveness. "

Bottom line WA govt was/is subsidising SS is that because of its diligence and research and accountabilities?
Don't know that shark eyes or shark banz etc will ever go there and any of us consumers will be able to review non existent research data.

I've had my SS surf unit for over 10 years and can remember watching footage of Ron and Val Taylor (Aussie spearo legends) initially testing it in Sth Africa where it originated decades ago. It has been a long time in its development. You're absolutely entitled to your opinion and I think in a way we're in mad agreeance as well as challenging waters. if you've looked to the research and decided its not for you well and good at least its there and accountable. Stay safe


My point is that the testing completed by SS is flawed. Simple as that. It has nothing to do with diligence and research, it's all about who paid who and how much.

Yes your also correct Shark eyes have zero testing, but at least they admit that. (for the record i don't use them, expect for the one on my bin and to date its not been attacked)


Nozza
VIC, 2835 posts
6 Jul 2020 6:53PM
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For me the Shark eyes stickers make me feel better.
The reading I have done on the topic satisfies me that there is enough justification to make me feel better.
That's all I need.

backbeach
NSW, 102 posts
7 Jul 2020 12:35PM
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jbshack said..

backbeach said..
Not quite understanding your standpoint or endgame here jbshack. I think this is the paper you cite and yes it's a good thing that you can source it and question it, thats one of Research's strengths;
journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0157717 (if not look at the 50 plus references).
I'm trying to explain the efficacy of research and the abstract states the same point, as well as a declaration of the researchers affiliations, its all there no reds under the bed;

"Sharks play a vital role in the health of marine ecosystems, but the potential threat that sharks pose to humans is a reminder of our vulnerability when entering the ocean. Personal shark deterrents are being marketed as the solution to mitigate the threat that sharks pose. However, the effectiveness claims of many personal deterrents are based on our knowledge of shark sensory biology rather than robust testing of the devices themselves, as most have not been subjected to independent scientific studies. Therefore, there is a clear need for thorough testing of commercially available shark deterrents to provide the public with recommendations of their effectiveness. "

Bottom line WA govt was/is subsidising SS is that because of its diligence and research and accountabilities?
Don't know that shark eyes or shark banz etc will ever go there and any of us consumers will be able to review non existent research data.

I've had my SS surf unit for over 10 years and can remember watching footage of Ron and Val Taylor (Aussie spearo legends) initially testing it in Sth Africa where it originated decades ago. It has been a long time in its development. You're absolutely entitled to your opinion and I think in a way we're in mad agreeance as well as challenging waters. if you've looked to the research and decided its not for you well and good at least its there and accountable. Stay safe



My point is that the testing completed by SS is flawed. Simple as that. It has nothing to do with diligence and research, it's all about who paid who and how much.

Yes your also correct Shark eyes have zero testing, but at least they admit that. (for the record i don't use them, expect for the one on my bin and to date its not been attacked)



OK, I'll bite just one more time (boom tish) only in the hope I can inform you. JBshack if you have a friend or relo who has a tertiary degree and/or works in any form of science, technology, health, engineering sit down and talk to them about the fundementals of academic research to get your head around it.
Research isn't classed as independent if it's for example done by the company, e.g Adani has been called out in its environmental statements.
However it is classed as independent if it's undertaken by an appropriate third party, in this case by university based marine biologists who present and publish their research paper, in it's correct format, and has been peer reviewed-which in this case any marine biologist can review it and publish their good or bad comments on it. In your own words you're saying WA Govt will only accept independently researched products and they have accepted SS.
Your issue is that SS paid for the research and therefore the results are corrupted in favour of them, and you've picked up on the open disclosure from the paper we're both looking at, (which is another fundamental component of research);

Acknowledgments This study was funded by The University of Western Australia and the West Australian State Government Shark Hazard Mitigation Applied Research Program. The UWA Neuroecology Group would also like to express sincere gratitude and appreciation for the continued support and generous financial assistance provided by Craig and Katrina Burton. Without which, completion of this research would not have been possible. The funders had no role in study design, data collection and analysis, decision to publish, or preparation of the manuscript. The authors wish to thank the South African Department of Environmental Affairs: Biodiversity and Coastal Research, Oceans and Coasts Branch for their support and help in conducting this research. The authors also wish to thank all of the interns at the Oceans Research campus in Mossel Bay for all of their help and hard work during this investigation. Finally, the authors would like to thank the anonymous reviewers for their thorough and critical feedback of this research, which ultimately resulted in a much improved final manuscript.

So Universities and academics and research have been working on this financial model forever and a day, it is an industry standard. Whether the funds come from govt grants, private industry, bequeathed estates or a genie in a bottle, they've got to come from somewhere because its a costly business and one of uni's income streams. Think about the costs associated with developing this paper. No university based academic would jeapordise their reputation and career by intentionally publishing false research and are actually held to account legally-the thalidomide babies is a classic example. This is the concept I think you're struggling with and where I hope you might come to understand. No matter if not, the world of conspiracy keyboard theorists is forever expanding and I'm ok with healthy scepticism, but it's gotta be healthy. It's kind of ironic that the shark eyes website cites all these uni papers but has no research on it's product, just anecdotal (i.e. people's stories) statements. Sadly a spearo's been taken off Fraser Is, Qld this weekend-stay safe everyone
BTW may not be sharks but looks like somethings attacking your bin.

cantSUPenough
VIC, 2122 posts
7 Jul 2020 7:58PM
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I reckon the best type of sticker would look just like a seal. Stick on the bottom of the least liked proner's boards.





supthecreek
2583 posts
10 Jul 2020 5:20AM
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I may live in the sharkiest Great White area in the world.
My friends place their faith in all sorts of placebos... it is quite extraordinary to see some of the stuff they come up with.

All I know, is when I am underwater, looking up... all I see are black silhouettes
They could be plastered with colors, objects, stripes, eyes... and no shark is ever going notice IMO
At 2,000 lbs, they hit you like a pickup truck... I doubt they stop to look at eye stickers or anything else.

Too many boards to decorate, so...
I go out with my spidey senses on and play the odds.

Surfing at 5 am for the past 8 days, with seals all around.... I know the Whites are there as well.
I may pay a dear price for this, but oddly I don't have any shark fear, just a healthy respect and an understanding that nature can be cruel sometimes.


silhouettes



Helmy
VIC, 796 posts
10 Jul 2020 9:25AM
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supthecreek said..
I may live in the sharkiest Great White area in the world.
My friends place their faith in all sorts of placebos... it is quite extraordinary to see some of the stuff they come up with.

All I know, is when I am underwater, looking up... all I see are black silhouettes
They could be plastered with colors, objects, stripes, eyes... and no shark is ever going notice IMO
At 2,000 lbs, they hit you like a pickup truck... I doubt they stop to look at eye stickers or anything else.

Too many boards to decorate, so...
I go out with my spidey senses on and play the odds.

Surfing at 5 am for the past 8 days, with seals all around.... I know the Whites are there as well.
I may pay a dear price for this, but oddly I don't have any shark fear, just a healthy respect and an understanding that nature can be cruel sometimes.


silhouettes




Superb as always STC.
Rick for President!



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