Hello I am looking for advice and feedback for SB Foil-X 145 and SB SC used together.
I am a 6'7" 245# advanced intermediate windsurfer that likes to freestyle windsurf. I can vulcan and upwind and DW360 easily. I use a 125liter custom FS board and sails 5.3-6.2m2 typically at my local flat water venues.
I purchased a Slingshot 125 and Hoverglide i76/42 foil in 2019. I typically use 5.9-5,.6 m2 sails and foil only in non-planing conditions, prefer to freestyle windsurf when it is windy.
I found that the i84 front wing in position B was a great improvement in increasing my lightwind foiling enjoyment.
The only issue I had was board volume in under 10mph (sinking and difficult uphauling).
So, I bought the SB Foil-X 145, and my problem was solved.
Then, I decided to upgrade to the SC designed for the Foil-X, to reduce carrying weight at tricky launches, eliminate front wing wobble, matching deep tuttle head for my board's box, and not have to worry about mast bolt failure.
I have only had one session, but, I feel I need to used the front position for the front wing to get up easily. Is this the setting I should be using?
Once up, it felt fast, but if I let it get to the top of the mast, it was tough to keep from breaching. Not a problem at lower flights. Rear stab is currently in a neutral position.
Is there any value to using a larger wing, like the 2000, since I liked the i84 (2004cm2)?
Why did SB not use the Quick Lock system for the Wind foils like the SC? (I dislike the wasted time with assembly at the beach)
Love my Supercruiser! At 95kg, 1700 is fine, I have only used front wing fully inserted into fuselage (never felt the need to put it further forward of mast)
But small changes to Stab setting make a BIG difference, I like it well back/flatter rather than neutral, faster and more even ride height
So versatile, flies at walking pace, stays connected to wave faces, or push it to blast along at 20+ knots if you want
Peter:
Thanks for your reply. I will try it again with the wing fully inserted. Can you clarify the Stab setting? "back and flatter" means...
More stable settings - slide stab back, so bolts are further forward in the slots - it make stab flatter, with less angle of attack, less down pressure on the trailing edge means less power sending the nose up, may help you not to ride so high out of the water and keep the nose down
I use the Supercruiser with an old Starboard Formula 147. Stab most of the time in neutral position. Frontwing is in forward position to gain more stable flights. I assume this ist due to footstrap and finbox positions of my formula Board.
Had with 82 kg and intermediate skills no issues with lift, neither in forward nor in normal position of frontwing. I've got the feeling, SC ist lifting very early. Much quicker than RRD WH 85 I used in my first foilsessions.
Currently thinking about Foilboard X 145, too, to achieve even earlier lifts and more stable flights.
I'd not go larger wing, the 1700 is large enough. Perhaps it would be more appropriate, to explore smaller high aspect wings to extend the range of the SC foil package.
Theres a thread discussing this regarding the wave 1300 front wing vs new the range of wings about to be released.
The foil is quite lifty, and in my foil board, it needs to be tamed by having the stab set to at least neutral to the 'more stable' setting as indicated above.
it certainty doesn't need the wing in the forward position.
In flat water, which are the conditions for 90% of the time for my local beach, it's pretty predictable and you can load it up and go fast, with no dramas.
The issue is that I forget it's not a race foil.. it's a cruising foil, so maybe my expectations are too high.
However it can sometimes catch me out when accelerating down a wave and trying to gybe, as it wants to lift. This results in having my feet too close together on the board, so it's difficult to control the foil height through the turn.
So careful attention to the tw angle is essential.
It may be interesting in the future, to explore the smaller tw or the newest thinner tw's
I've yet to hear experienced foiling feedback from someone who has both the foilX and SC package, to indicate how balanced it is.
if someone could enlighten us it would be appreciated
My buddy (~70kg) has the FoilX 105 and SC with both wings. He's a moderately good foiler (360s etc) and prefers the 1700 until its +20kts. He runs it in the rear position.
I'm 86kg and use the 1700 in the forward position on a regular freeride board. The best stab position for me is just behind neutral, running the wing back and stab further forward is slower.
Biggest difference between the two boards is that the FoilX has the mast base at least 15cm further back the straps are maybe 1cm further back and of course the nose is far shorter.
Thanks everyone. Feels like starting over again.
I sailed perfect conditions of 15-17mph with a few good gusts this afternoon. I sailed with the front wing fully inserted. I also moved the stab half way to the more stable setting. No breaching today even loaded up. I would say I was easily able to handle the gusts. Still, take off is not as early as I would like and I feel I need to really head off and press down with the back foot to get flying. I am pretty far back in the mast track now on my X-145. I will try to adjust the stab a little more toward neutral and I move the mast base back again 0.5 cm.
I feel I will get there with technique adjustment as well, but I just thought I would put everything in the middle and it would be plug and play since they were designed for each other.
Thanks again for the help.
Try moving the mast track back until you feel like you are stradeling a seesaw lengthwise, so light rear foot pressure lifts the board up. In my case, rear toe pressure.
Wsurfn,
I have used the the 2000OceanSurf on the super cruiser and on the shorter 67cm fuselage and really enjoyed it and would highly recommend using it. I am only 70kg. The larger 2000 foil wing makes for a very smooth effortless ride and also gives more lift for those lighter wind sessions. I was using this setup mainly when using the JP Australia foil 115l surf board which also allows for a windsurf sail to be attached.
I tend to wingfoil a lot more these days using the same board and foil setup. The 2400 Ocean Surf is also another great wing that can be used by all weight riders. A lot more cruisey, but as it is designed with a thin profile , feels very predictable, smooth and stable.
I have been out windsurfing foiling with a pro windsurfer who was using a 2400 wing and a board and sail very similar in size but he was weighing i guess an extra 40-45kgs more (ie 110 or 115kg in total). He was foiling a fraction earlier than me in many cases. Naturally this guy being a pro rider has extreme skills in all conditions, but what it also goes to show is that he chose to use a very large foil wing in sub 16kt conditions to get that extra performance.
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Peter:
Thanks for your reply. I will try it again with the wing fully inserted. Can you clarify the Stab setting? "back and flatter" means...
The sticker on the SC is confusing at the beginning. The bottom of the picture is the rear end of the fuselage, seen from below. Since the bolts are obviously always stationary relative to the fuse, what you see is movement of the stab wing itself in its rounded seating.
On the left is the stab wing moved forwards (steeper angle) and on the right moved backwards (flatter angle).
Btw I run the stab wing slightly to the rear direction i.e.back past neutral and the main wing in the forward hole position.
This gives a good mix of lift and stable speed, also matches the footstrap positions of the rrd pocket rocket perfectly.
My distance from front tuttle screw to center of mastbase is 95cm, works for my wavesails (Zeta 4.2 - 6.4).
The middle of my front strap is only 30cm from the mastbase, which is very similar to the small Foil X board.
Hope this helps.
