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Armstrong two wing quiver: 1550v2 + HS1250 or 1550v2 + HS1050 or 1550v2 + HA925

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Created by north_kiter 1 month ago, 6 Sep 2021
north_kiter
NSW, 47 posts
6 Sep 2021 9:08PM
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I'm 95-100kg, average winger, use a sinker 56L, and 110L.

What is the best option for a two foil quiver wind range 12-40 knots
- harbour conditions, choppy over 20knots
- occasional prone surf small to medium wave height

Options
1) 1550v2 + HS1250
2) 1550v2 + HS1050
3) 1550v2 + HA925
4) HS1250 + HA925 - not much mid range here though maybe

I've thought about the 1125, but it's too wide for my liking. I really enjoy carving chop so speed isn't that essential but it's nice to blast every now and again, however I can use my 800/400 combo for that.

I'm a proficient kite foiler, main wing is Moses 800/400 combo, boosting and going fast, this is my second foil set for winging.

Anyone else in my weight range using any of these combos?

HubDekkers
34 posts
6 Sep 2021 8:01PM
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Not an easy question to answer. If you go with the HS series I would probably stick with those wings and not mix HS and HA. Riding characteristics will remain the same when you change wings which means you adapt quicker. Given that I would take the 1550v2 and 1250. They are very similar. The 1250 is more similar to the 1550 v2 than the 1050.

If you want go HA I would pick the 1125 and 925. Yes, the 1125 has a wide wingspan, but you can still carve the chop. It can handle tips coming out which means you can still push very hard.

hilly
WA, 6252 posts
6 Sep 2021 8:04PM
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105kg and for me the 1250 is best allround foil for what you have described. 1550 will give you more low end the 925 more high end. 1050 is more for bigger waves so rule that out.

cct305
10 posts
6 Sep 2021 8:23PM
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Agree with hilly. 77kg. Use the 1250 for 13k and higher. Tail shim and mast placement for light wind adjusting. The 1550 v2 is nice but any advantages over 1250 are hard to spot and would be marginal at best.

north_kiter
NSW, 47 posts
6 Sep 2021 10:25PM
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Yeah I am definitely leaning towards the 1550v2 and the HS1250. The HS1250 has been around for a while and has a good following from what I read. The 1550v2 will give me a range between 12-20knots IMO then I can switch to the HS1250.

Are the rumors true about mast flexing or is this hearsay?

north_kiter
NSW, 47 posts
6 Sep 2021 10:27PM
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cct305 said..
Agree with hilly. 77kg. Use the 1250 for 13k and higher. Tail shim and mast placement for light wind adjusting. The 1550 v2 is nice but any advantages over 1250 are hard to spot and would be marginal at best.


Oh really, so no need for the 1550v2? What about <18 knots at my weight using 6m wing

cct305
10 posts
6 Sep 2021 8:40PM
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If you're in really light conditions which to me would be 11-12k to 14k then I'm not sure the 1550 v2 will give u any meaningful benefits over the 1250 because both those wings are difficult to get use in those type of conditions. I will tell you that at your size with a large wing and 15k the 1250 should be just fine.

north_kiter
NSW, 47 posts
6 Sep 2021 10:47PM
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cct305 said..
If you're in really light conditions which to me would be 11-12k to 14k then I'm not sure the 1550 v2 will give u any meaningful benefits over the 1250 because both those wings are difficult to get use in those type of conditions. I will tell you that at your size with a large wing and 15k the 1250 should be just fine.


hmmm, interesting. I was using the Moses 799 which is a 5.8 AR, 1100cm2, span 799mm, about 18knots on a sinker is the low end, it has great lift. The wind in Sydney is not consistent at all so 15knots can be 10-20knots!

The HS1250 is 5.51 AR and 1250cm2, with a span of 830. I'd be very surprised if I could get going on a sinker in 15knots.

I would've thought the 1550v2 would surpass the 1250 in this respect and give better low end performance...

cct305
10 posts
6 Sep 2021 8:56PM
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With sinker it depends on water conditions and whether steady wind or gusty how easy you get going, but 1550 v2 is not a big difference in ease of use vs 1250. If anything, the 1850 would give u best low end for sub 18k conditions if that's what you're worried about.

north_kiter
NSW, 47 posts
6 Sep 2021 11:14PM
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I'm more interested in winging when it's 15+ knots as I kite foil when less than 15 knots in Sydney winds, so perhaps a wing for 15-20knots and 1 for 20+ knots

cct305
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6 Sep 2021 9:32PM
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north_kiter said..
I'm more interested in winging when it's 15+ knots as I kite foil when less than 15 knots in Sydney winds, so perhaps a wing for 15-20knots and 1 for 20+ knots


The 1250. Or new 925 (have not tried). But 15k and above the 1250 performs great. Would definitely not get 1550 v2 for 5k range of 15k to 20k because 1250 works fine in that range and you likely would be able to get 1250 to work great for you in that wind range with a little practice/time.

baldy123
WA, 182 posts
6 Sep 2021 9:44PM
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You can't go wrong with a 1250 in my opinion. I've had this wing out in over 40knots and it is fine. It's my most used foil at 85kg on 5m wing. If you are doing in and out winging from one spot the 1250 has good speed and carves great on 85cm mast. The new 925 is tempting as my next wing purchase for 20knots+ Downwind riding on wing, I still need to demo it before I buy. I have the big 1850 I use in 10knots-18knots flat water winging and for SUPsurf/DW. Haven't used a 1550v2 so can't comment.

north_kiter
NSW, 47 posts
6 Sep 2021 11:50PM
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I'm confused now, I would've thought the extra 200cm2 of the 1550v2 would make 12-20knots more enjoyable and easy than the HS1250.

Am I missing something here?

I don't think the HS1850 is right for me as just being on foil doesn't really interest me, that's why I am considering a HS1550v2, but it sounds like it is money not well spent...

baldy123
WA, 182 posts
6 Sep 2021 10:03PM
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Two wings - 1550v2 + 925
One wing - 1250

stroppo
WA, 653 posts
6 Sep 2021 10:05PM
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north_kiter said..
I'm 95-100kg, average winger, use a sinker 56L, and 110L.

What is the best option for a two foil quiver wind range 12-40 knots
- harbour conditions, choppy over 20knots
- occasional prone surf small to medium wave height

Options
1) 1550v2 + HS1250
2) 1550v2 + HS1050
3) 1550v2 + HA925
4) HS1250 + HA925 - not much mid range here though maybe

I've thought about the 1125, but it's too wide for my liking. I really enjoy carving chop so speed isn't that essential but it's nice to blast every now and again, however I can use my 800/400 combo for that.

I'm a proficient kite foiler, main wing is Moses 800/400 combo, boosting and going fast, this is my second foil set for winging.

Anyone else in my weight range using any of these combos?


I'm surprised you not considering the v1 hs1550 in any of these combos this is my favourite and im 112kg
those combos are hard to decide definitely a tuff question if your able to demo all of these wings maybe that's a good start good luck with your decisions

greg87foil
62 posts
6 Sep 2021 10:16PM
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north_kiter said..
I'm confused now, I would've thought the extra 200cm2 of the 1550v2 would make 12-20knots more enjoyable and easy than the HS1250.

Am I missing something here?

I don't think the HS1850 is right for me as just being on foil doesn't really interest me, that's why I am considering a HS1550v2, but it sounds like it is money not well spent...


Gonna chime in here, 79kg. My experience is that the 1550v2 definitely gives more low end than the 1250. I used to have an 1850 and 1250 combo, but recently sold my 1850 and bought a 1550v2 instead. When I started winging, I found it very hard to get the 1250 up on foil, unless it was 23-25kt+ with a 5m wing. So I used my 1850 for 95% of my sessions.
But then I was able to demo an 1550v2 and by that time my pumping technique had also improved. I found the 1550v2 almost as easy to get up on foil as the 1850. However, I still struggle with the 1250 in marginal winds.
So for me, it is definitely money well spent as the 1550v2 feels way more slippery than the 1850 (thinner profile, higher AR, same span) but easier to get up than the 1250. Do I think my skills could progress to the point where I will be able to pump the 1250 up to speed in marginal winds? Sure. But in the meantime I will happily enjoy my 1550v2 and keep my 1250 for higher winds.
I guess the question is: how good is your pumping technique?

cct305
10 posts
6 Sep 2021 10:18PM
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north_kiter said..
I'm 95-100kg, average winger, use a sinker 56L, and 110L.

What is the best option for a two foil quiver wind range 12-40 knots
- harbour conditions, choppy over 20knots
- occasional prone surf small to medium wave height

Options
1) 1550v2 + HS1250
2) 1550v2 + HS1050
3) 1550v2 + HA925
4) HS1250 + HA925 - not much mid range here though maybe

I've thought about the 1125, but it's too wide for my liking. I really enjoy carving chop so speed isn't that essential but it's nice to blast every now and again, however I can use my 800/400 combo for that.

I'm a proficient kite foiler, main wing is Moses 800/400 combo, boosting and going fast, this is my second foil set for winging.

Anyone else in my weight range using any of these combos?



I'm surprised you not considering the v1 hs1550 in any of these combos this is my favourite and im 112kg
those combos are hard to decide definitely a tuff question if your able to demo all of these wings maybe that's a good start good luck with your decisions


I agree you need to try these out if possible because you don't want a situation where you invest in a wing that you'll barely use. High aspect wings are great but not as forgiving in the surf as the HS wings at least that's what I've heard. Time will tell.

north_kiter
NSW, 47 posts
7 Sep 2021 6:15AM
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Thanks for the info, I think I will start with the HS1550v2 at my weight 95-100kgs, as that'll be for the lions share of my winging 15-25 knots range, and given the conditions are pretty sketchy in Sydney. I'll see if I can demo a HS1250v2 later on.

I've 2 wings a 6m and 5m, so if really strong wind I can just use the 5m with the 1550v2.

So what tail is best, 232 or the flying V?

My use case is:
- Winging 90%
- Pumping 5%
- Prone 5%

simonp
202 posts
7 Sep 2021 4:54AM
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The Flying V tail definitely looser than the 232 and possibly more stable as well. The winglets are potential canopy shredders though, I've rounded mine off but it doesn't take much to rip a wing.

wicka
VIC, 49 posts
7 Sep 2021 7:32AM
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Just something to consider, your w800 is very similar to the 925 so if your going to keep the 800 I wouldn't bother getting the 925.

north_kiter
NSW, 47 posts
7 Sep 2021 7:52AM
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Just something to consider, your w800 is very similar to the 925 so if your going to keep the 800 I wouldn't bother getting the 925.


Yes good point, definitely keeping the 800/400 as this is amazing kiting, only kite foil needed IMO.

I would say the 925 is more user friendly to wings and riders than the W800 though. I've already stabbed my wing multiple times with the 400 :(

eppo
WA, 8418 posts
7 Sep 2021 6:54AM
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Great discussion. Given your weight and location (sydney) and the fact you want to still kite foil in sub 15 knots (ps I'm of the same mind given sub 15), id say the your choice is about right.
if you were living over here in WA id say buy a 1250 and build a quiver from there. Its like your 9/10m kite.

that being said i would PM Hilly above and further the discussion. He's always been bang on for info for me anyhow, he is your kinda body mass (Big kent) and was probably one of the first to adopt the armies over here (been on them the longest).

north_kiter
NSW, 47 posts
7 Sep 2021 4:13PM
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Thanks for the info, very helpful.

Are the rumors true about 85cm mast flexing for riders my weight or is this hearsay?

stroppo
WA, 653 posts
7 Sep 2021 3:03PM
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north_kiter said..
Thanks for the info, very helpful.

Are the rumors true about 85cm mast flexing for riders my weight or is this hearsay?


Yeah all my mast flex a fair bit with me on it but the high aspect 1125 was really bad with the extra width the smaller surf wings aren't a problem

hilly
WA, 6252 posts
7 Sep 2021 6:52PM
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Have the A+ 85 mast no issues with flex 1125 or 1850. 105 kg. It is a beat up.

stroppo
WA, 653 posts
7 Sep 2021 7:14PM
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hilly said..
Have the A+ 85 mast no issues with flex 1125 or 1850. 105 kg. It is a beat up.


Do you think the A+ mast is stiffer than it's predecessor?

emmafoils
302 posts
7 Sep 2021 7:20PM
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1550 v2 and 1125. The 1550 has better low end than the 1250 and you must have one of the HA foils. Add the 925 in the future if you ever get big waves

windrider323
VIC, 36 posts
7 Sep 2021 10:25PM
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Just to add to this I think you have two things to consider re feedbackPeople under 100kg don't know what it's like to be 100kg or over. 80 kg doesn't compare to 100 for feel.

the wind quality in some areas is vastly different to others eg wa compared to Vic. I'm 105 kg sailing in Vic Ocean only (gusty wind prone to dropouts) And I use an 1850 in flukey sea breezes 1550 in light breeze with more swell and 1250 in more wind and swell. All have their place. All are great wings
I notice no mast flex supping or winging both 72 and 85 masts even with the 1125 wing.

hilly
WA, 6252 posts
7 Sep 2021 8:31PM
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Only time I have noticed flex was with the 2400 paddling. When up and riding on 2400 no problems. The A+ is heavier and stiffer. I miss the light original mast.

stroppo
WA, 653 posts
7 Sep 2021 8:45PM
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windrider323 said..
Just to add to this I think you have two things to consider re feedbackPeople under 100kg don't know what it's like to be 100kg or over. 80 kg doesn't compare to 100 for feel.

the wind quality in some areas is vastly different to others eg wa compared to Vic. I'm 105 kg sailing in Vic Ocean only (gusty wind prone to dropouts) And I use an 1850 in flukey sea breezes 1550 in light breeze with more swell and 1250 in more wind and swell. All have their place. All are great wings
I notice no mast flex supping or winging both 72 and 85 masts even with the 1125 wing.


Some great points there out of interest what speeds are you pushing the 1125 As my problems start when hitting 22kts and the wing tip dips as the amount of yaw and roll it has from the mast flex if I was just cruzen around it's fine or going upwind is fine but off the breeze sending it when it's sailed flat it does what it wants

windrider323
VIC, 36 posts
8 Sep 2021 2:03AM
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Stroppo
I don't record my speed mate so don't know sorry. Have not noticed any flex from the 1125 / mast at speed though. Not from the 1850 flat out on both masts either.
I run both on a 232 tail +1 shim old fuse and masts. No A+ gear or mod.



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