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Armstrong two wing quiver: 1550v2 + HS1250 or 1550v2 + HS1050 or 1550v2 + HA925

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Created by north_kiter 1 month ago, 6 Sep 2021
north_kiter
NSW, 47 posts
8 Sep 2021 6:58AM
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windrider323 said..
Just to add to this I think you have two things to consider re feedbackPeople under 100kg don't know what it's like to be 100kg or over. 80 kg doesn't compare to 100 for feel.

the wind quality in some areas is vastly different to others eg wa compared to Vic. I'm 105 kg sailing in Vic Ocean only (gusty wind prone to dropouts) And I use an 1850 in flukey sea breezes 1550 in light breeze with more swell and 1250 in more wind and swell. All have their place. All are great wings
I notice no mast flex supping or winging both 72 and 85 masts even with the 1125 wing.


Great point about rider weight. For us bigger riders we need more wing in had to get out of the water, once going this is a PITA, and the ride experience is very different on the same foil than guys who are 70-85-90 kg

For all those who comment about the mast flex can you add your weight if you haven't already?

north_kiter
NSW, 47 posts
8 Sep 2021 7:00AM
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stroppo said..

north_kiter said..
I'm 95-100kg, average winger, use a sinker 56L, and 110L.

What is the best option for a two foil quiver wind range 12-40 knots
- harbour conditions, choppy over 20knots
- occasional prone surf small to medium wave height

Options
1) 1550v2 + HS1250
2) 1550v2 + HS1050
3) 1550v2 + HA925
4) HS1250 + HA925 - not much mid range here though maybe

I've thought about the 1125, but it's too wide for my liking. I really enjoy carving chop so speed isn't that essential but it's nice to blast every now and again, however I can use my 800/400 combo for that.

I'm a proficient kite foiler, main wing is Moses 800/400 combo, boosting and going fast, this is my second foil set for winging.

Anyone else in my weight range using any of these combos?



I'm surprised you not considering the v1 hs1550 in any of these combos this is my favourite and im 112kg
those combos are hard to decide definitely a tuff question if your able to demo all of these wings maybe that's a good start good luck with your decisions


I believe the 1550 v1 doesn't have a good top end speed (from what I've read), and mostly for winging in harbour chop, speed is fun, but for surfing and carving on a wave that doesn't really matter that much

hilly
WA, 6252 posts
8 Sep 2021 8:01AM
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north_kiter said..I believe the 1550 v1 doesn't have a good top end speed (from what I've read), and mostly for winging in harbour chop, speed is fun, but for surfing and carving on a wave that doesn't really matter that much

Spot on, the V1 carves swell/waves beautifully, especially with the cut down 232 tail but is a slug with little glide compared to V2 version. The V2 turns almost as well if you clip the ends about 20mm but you lose a bit of acceleration out of turns and a tiny bit of stability. I still believe the 1250 would be better if you are only going out in 15+ knots.

north_kiter
NSW, 47 posts
8 Sep 2021 3:11PM
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hilly said..

north_kiter said..I believe the 1550 v1 doesn't have a good top end speed (from what I've read), and mostly for winging in harbour chop, speed is fun, but for surfing and carving on a wave that doesn't really matter that much


Spot on, the V1 carves swell/waves beautifully, especially with the cut down 232 tail but is a slug with little glide compared to V2 version. The V2 turns almost as well if you clip the ends about 20mm but you lose a bit of acceleration out of turns and a tiny bit of stability. I still believe the 1250 would be better if you are only going out in 15+ knots.


Thanks Hilly, your comments are noted about the 1250. In Sydney the wind is really sketchy and 15knots means 10-20 with all the gusts.

I think I would probably find a use for both at my weight.

omg
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8 Sep 2021 2:20PM
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stroppo said..


Some great points there out of interest what speeds are you pushing the 1125 As my problems start when hitting 22kts and the wing tip dips as the amount of yaw and roll it has from the mast flex if I was just cruzen around it's fine or going upwind is fine but off the breeze sending it when it's sailed flat it does what it wants


Do you have A+ or previous version mast, and what length, please?

stroppo
WA, 653 posts
8 Sep 2021 7:04PM
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omg said..

stroppo said..


Some great points there out of interest what speeds are you pushing the 1125 As my problems start when hitting 22kts and the wing tip dips as the amount of yaw and roll it has from the mast flex if I was just cruzen around it's fine or going upwind is fine but off the breeze sending it when it's sailed flat it does what it wants



Do you have A+ or previous version mast, and what length, please?


Yeah I have the mast before the A+ the 100,85 and 72

radair
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8 Sep 2021 9:25PM
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I currently have the 1850, 1550V2, 1250 and recently the 925. If I had to pick just two it would be the 1550V2 and 925 without hesitation. The 1850 is a great foil for light wind days but the 1550 is not too far off. I'm only 70 kgs so at your weight I would consider the 1850 if you anticipate much light wind foiling.

All the hype about the 925 is deserved, just a couple of boat sessions and one wing day and it has become a favorite.

cct305
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8 Sep 2021 9:51PM
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radair said..
I currently have the 1850, 1550V2, 1250 and recently the 925. If I had to pick just two it would be the 1550V2 and 925 without hesitation. The 1850 is a great foil for light wind days but the 1550 is not too far off. I'm only 70 kgs so at your weight I would consider the 1850 if you anticipate much light wind foiling.

All the hype about the 925 is deserved, just a couple of boat sessions and one wing day and it has become a favorite.


What about for prone at your weight?

north_kiter
NSW, 47 posts
9 Sep 2021 6:55AM
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radair said..
I currently have the 1850, 1550V2, 1250 and recently the 925. If I had to pick just two it would be the 1550V2 and 925 without hesitation. The 1850 is a great foil for light wind days but the 1550 is not too far off. I'm only 70 kgs so at your weight I would consider the 1850 if you anticipate much light wind foiling.

All the hype about the 925 is deserved, just a couple of boat sessions and one wing day and it has become a favorite.


I think the 925 would be good but for my use case I'd get more use out of the 1250 than the 925.

What is your absolute low end on the 925?

I'm 30% heavier than you, so if 20 knots is your absolute low end with the 925, for me it would be 20 * 1.3 = 26 knots, but wind is exponential, so maybe 24 knots, and the foil may stall 30% quicker due to the weight force and the lift equation.

The same foil is different depending on riders weight, and when comparing foils, rider weight is a crucial parameter (as well as surface area) as a heavier rider will exceed the lift force of the same foil than a lighter rider will given all other conditions are equal.

www.aerodynamics4students.com/aircraft-performance/lift-and-lift-coefficient.php
www.aviationsafetymagazine.com/features/weight-force-the-lift-equation/







greg87foil
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9 Sep 2021 6:41AM
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radair said..
I currently have the 1850, 1550V2, 1250 and recently the 925. If I had to pick just two it would be the 1550V2 and 925 without hesitation. The 1850 is a great foil for light wind days but the 1550 is not too far off. I'm only 70 kgs so at your weight I would consider the 1850 if you anticipate much light wind foiling.

All the hype about the 925 is deserved, just a couple of boat sessions and one wing day and it has become a favorite.


Interesting, thanks for sharing. At which wind speed would you then decide to go 925 rather than 1550v2?

north_kiter
NSW, 47 posts
12 Sep 2021 8:31PM
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So I bought the HS1250 and 1550v2, 85cm mast/60-fuse/A+/232v2, and there's rumor's of a HA725 in the pipeline. I'll dial these in first and then decide on a HA wing.

Any advice for shimming for a 95-100kg rider?

I know the A+ system stabilizer is -1 by default, so I might try that first before shimming. My other foil brand required the mast at the front of the box, so I assume it will be the same for Armie.

I'm on a 56L 5'4 wing board btw

stroppo
WA, 653 posts
12 Sep 2021 8:20PM
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north_kiter said..
So I bought the HS1250 and 1550v2, 85cm mast/60-fuse/A+/232v2, and there's rumor's of a HA725 in the pipeline. I'll dial these in first and then decide on a HA wing.

Any advice for shimming for a 95-100kg rider?

I know the A+ system stabilizer is -1 by default, so I might try that first before shimming. My other foil brand required the mast at the front of the box, so I assume it will be the same for Armie.

I'm on a 56L 5'4 wing board btw


Try all shims that's the best way to dial in but-1 is probably the best starting point

radair
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13 Sep 2021 10:08PM
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greg87foil said..

radair said..
I currently have the 1850, 1550V2, 1250 and recently the 925. If I had to pick just two it would be the 1550V2 and 925 without hesitation. The 1850 is a great foil for light wind days but the 1550 is not too far off. I'm only 70 kgs so at your weight I would consider the 1850 if you anticipate much light wind foiling.

All the hype about the 925 is deserved, just a couple of boat sessions and one wing day and it has become a favorite.



Interesting, thanks for sharing. At which wind speed would you then decide to go 925 rather than 1550v2?


Probably 20-mph and up I would go for the 925, but keep in mind it is new to me and I'm still trying to get competent at winging. I still have some challenging days.

greg87foil
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13 Sep 2021 10:58PM
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radair said..

greg87foil said..


radair said..
I currently have the 1850, 1550V2, 1250 and recently the 925. If I had to pick just two it would be the 1550V2 and 925 without hesitation. The 1850 is a great foil for light wind days but the 1550 is not too far off. I'm only 70 kgs so at your weight I would consider the 1850 if you anticipate much light wind foiling.

All the hype about the 925 is deserved, just a couple of boat sessions and one wing day and it has become a favorite.




Interesting, thanks for sharing. At which wind speed would you then decide to go 925 rather than 1550v2?



Probably 20-mph and up I would go for the 925, but keep in mind it is new to me and I'm still trying to get competent at winging. I still have some challenging days.


Same here. Have had 25-30ish sessions on the wing, able to jibe, tack toeside, learning first "tricks" duck jibe, 360, etc, but feel I'm not good yet at pumping up and getting on foil in light(er) wings, so "intermediate" at best. But very curious about the 925 and I think I'm gona pick it up too, and have it alongside 1550v2 and 1250.

DB2
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14 Sep 2021 5:18AM
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Hi,

I am close to 100kg and my goto-foil is the 1850. Great for low to mid wind, my favorite is the 232 tail with +1 shim. The 1550V2 is a bit small in light winds and flat water, but pretty cool. As I just got my 1250 back after 6 months I had no chance to test ist. The HA1125 is great in higher winds, if you run out of smaller wings :-)

north_kiter
NSW, 47 posts
25 Sep 2021 4:03PM
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Update: I got the HS1550v2 and HS1250, and have ordered a HS1050 for kiting.

I use the 1550 no shim on my 110L board in < 18 knots
I use the 1250 no shim on my 56L board in > 18 knots

Mostly with the 232 stabiliser, I have the v-tail, but at my weight wind has to be very strong, but will try it with the 1250 one day soon.

I've used the 1250 a lot kiting (1m pocket board), nice and carvey but a bit big for kiting tbh, and jumping bit too much pressure on legs when landing with such a big foil, hopefully the 1050 will be better for that.

I have to put mast at front of box on all boards.

Still getting use to the foils, but had a few good sessions on both of them.

Once I dial these in then I might demo the 925 or 725 for kiting, but at my weight, I have to say I'm very happy with the current setup.

Mr Soft Serve
NSW, 25 posts
27 Sep 2021 7:17PM
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cct305 said..

radair said..
I currently have the 1850, 1550V2, 1250 and recently the 925. If I had to pick just two it would be the 1550V2 and 925 without hesitation. The 1850 is a great foil for light wind days but the 1550 is not too far off. I'm only 70 kgs so at your weight I would consider the 1850 if you anticipate much light wind foiling.

All the hype about the 925 is deserved, just a couple of boat sessions and one wing day and it has become a favorite.



What about for prone at your weight?


I'm 92 kegs for prone CF 1200 for 5 to 2 foot. Below 2 foot V2 1550 great for pumping and linking up waves but doesn't carve that well but still fun in small waves. I'm on a 42 litre 5 foot Sunova Pilot.



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